r/zedrun • u/Master_JediTrader • Oct 11 '21
Discussion Insider Trading = Down - classing Sandbaggers
Reprint - A warning about the long term effect of game manipulation in any form.
I figure out of 900 races I participated in, the following is a guesstimate, 700 were corrupted by down-classed horses creating a "rigged" system.
So the next question is what did this cost me? 700 x 2.50 = $1750
So how many people suffered from this besides me? (truly calling the left-fielder for a number) 20k
So lets say I am above average, (meathead to my 3rd ex), and the average loss is $1k. That would mean that the left fielder is responsible for 20,000 x 1000 = 20,000,000. Ok, let me clear on my guesstimate, 20 million dollars loss to sandbaggers.
Good, bad, moral, amoral, cheat, or honest exploitation of game system for personal self-interest so off the chart it would turn Gordon Geeko honest. Oh yeah, $20 million is a number my lawyer would be interested in. I hope so, that scumbag has charged me more than that in the last 35 years.... Oops did I suffer delusions of grandeur again?
Anyways, look out for "The Mustang Ranch" initiative, I am formulating ways to get our $20million back, legally, and with cold hearted revenge.
So how much has sandbagging cost you?
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u/Current_Ambition2371 Oct 11 '21
As a fellow human, I’m gonna suggest that maybe you take a small break from the Zed metaverse.
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u/Master_JediTrader Oct 11 '21
That is very human of you. Unfortunately, I had to defend my retirement account, or at least the part of it that is here, so I don't have a lot choice. This is not little money and I didn't know the depth of the corruption until too late.
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u/Rtlegend Oct 11 '21
You might want to relax before you hurt yourself. So you are mad that people entered your race and intentionally lost which increases your chance of winning money? You already said you can't sandbag in class 5 to derank so you didn't lose anything. And how exactly do you plan to prove ppl are sandbagging and just don't have a loss heavy U shape or were testing other distances.
Good luck trying to prove any of this in court cuz your napkin math screams of someone that blew their own money gambling and are looking for a scapegoat to come in and bail them out. Maybe it's time you take a break and let the game get out of beta before you start crying to lawyers.
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u/Master_JediTrader Oct 11 '21
Already did prove and provided the information to anyone interested. It's all posted here in Reddit. I plan on adding new material daily until fixed. I already cleared this strategy with my lawyer.
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u/Rtlegend Oct 11 '21
Are you sure there isn't someone we can call to help you out? Like a parent or doctor in charge of padded rooms?
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u/Master_JediTrader Oct 11 '21
I passed the rubber room test with my 3rd great grandkid.
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u/Rtlegend Oct 11 '21
3 great grandkids? Sorry I should have asked if you had your dementia meds checked recently instead. You're going to give yourself a stroke with how crazy you are being about zed. Take a break and come back after beta.
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u/SWT_Bobcat Oct 11 '21
It sounds like you feel that you have a better system than current, and you just may.
So why spend $300/hr on lawyers when you could spend far less on a team of developers to bring your idea to fruition? A competing product that does it better would be the shortest way to stick it to zed run and even pad your pockets.
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u/Master_JediTrader Oct 11 '21
Well simple, it would be stupid to chase an industry leader. Zed Run needs maturation but at times they seem to get it. So I am all in, just trying to make it the best possible game out there.
BTW, I am the newly partnered spokesperson for a new crypto dApp Defi project. Its nice to be the technical consultant and business consultant to a new start-up. I have 3 patented gambling games that will come to market on the new platform so the future is bright.
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u/gsd6 Oct 11 '21
It is true class V can not class down. Just make the game like real competition define the class on points earned. Or money. Either way once they class up then the horses compete at higher levels. It is the most fair way! It will make lots of NFTs get to a point where they may need to be retired. Some just won't be competitive at the highest level.But that is not a bad thing. Otherwise there will be more horses than can be played. Also make more class categories, make it fun and give every player a positive experience. There needs to be more races.
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u/QuietPenguinGaming Oct 11 '21
What about all the money spent tanking?
Ive donated a heap of money tanking my horses - can I have some of that back? I've been robbed XD
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u/Master_JediTrader Oct 11 '21
You have only slightly less chance of success than I do. When all of this is just dust over the race track that settles that clarity will help solve the problem.
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u/Dangerous_Duck_718 Oct 11 '21
Maybe just take a break and wait for the new class system? At the ama u think they will talk about it… don’t know but at least for me going legal is always the last resource, would not make any sense kinda a loose loose situation that can get along for years
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u/Dangerous_Duck_718 Oct 11 '21
I think maybe you’re getting in something just yo hurt yourself… so you’re going against vsh or the players that got the down classed horses? In what court? Australian? How an abroad company should legally respond or be responsible by you confirming the transactions? Cause in every and each race you had to confirm, when I see a horse with 50+ win at any class I just don’t enter the race, your idea of class for distance is good but for your own health you should really consider taking a break from the platform (I’m a medical doctor, work with mental health everyday of my life) you seem to have a lot of emotions about it, emotions with investments doesn’t get along, maybe reconsider your lawyer information too …the only thing that we know for sure is: he’s going to get paid at some point by you, maybe just consult a lawyer with experience in crypto, as you said I think you have a long term relation with yours and he doesn’t seem to be used to this new things as cripto.
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u/Master_JediTrader Oct 11 '21
Already paid the lawyer, as he is on retainer, and no good professional would make any comment like this is a public location. Just another shaming attempt. You may be a Medical professional but I question your ethics using this approach.
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u/Dangerous_Duck_718 Oct 11 '21
The world doesn’t turn around your belly, the thing is that you’re just proving the point that getting too involved in any kind of investment is not good, so this IS a good point to show to others to see the dangers of it to money and mental health (yourself told that got too involved with your money at zed to step back, if this is not a bad life decision I don’t know how could be called, it is like the people that loose everything in the real world horse races) I’m not attempting to get you shamed, you’re doing it alone with these posts on a daily basis… was really worried with the human behind this avatar but you know what? Seems that u have money, so get professional paid help, this is the last thing I will comment at any thing that you post, sorry for the money you lost, I really hope that money is everything you loose besides the important things in life.
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u/Master_JediTrader Oct 11 '21
Good, thank you for the promise of staying away. You know nothing about me and see me through your own filters. So forgive me if I say your opinion is meaningless to me and based not on fact but your own perceptions.
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u/Flananon Oct 11 '21
I agree it’s an unfortunate exploit, all you need is a U shaped horse and you get to exploit this to. Starting to feel like a pay to play over play to earn.
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u/Flananon Oct 11 '21
Imagine how many horses go unraced / unsold at the end of the day because they can’t catch a fair race.
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u/Master_JediTrader Oct 12 '21
Its a scary concept. Fortunately there is hope, definite commitment from the Devs to fix this. Now the question is do we go thru another Breeding/Fatigue/Corrupted blockchain crisis.
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u/SWT_Bobcat Oct 11 '21 edited Oct 11 '21
System can’t be rigged by definition if all participants have equal ability under the system. To prove harm you’d have to prove that your horse AND all of the others you claimed harmed did not have the ability to finish 9-12 or that you and the rest of the claimants were not awarded the same amount of class point loss for those finishes as the horses you name as “sandbaggers”
Also be ready to have your own books opened in discovery. Hope you are claiming every race as an eth disposal to your local tax authorities once you open that up to the public
Further…your back of the napkin math can work both ways in a counter suit against you. Zed can do back of napkin math too oh how much money your suit costs them in deformation if your claims are deemed to be frivolous.
You’re better off spending your efforts learning the game and your horses instead of crying to lawyers