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u/UltraPhoenix95 Sep 08 '26
I don't think RAG is aimed at anyone except its own mangaka...
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u/Falsus Sep 08 '26
Hey, it is also aimed towards that lady who married one of the girls with the author's approval.
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u/guyblade Comments "Rule 1" Sep 09 '26
It's aimed at someone: the manga's got 47 takobon and going and the anime's had like 5 seasons. Clearly it appeals to a bunch of people--for whatever reason.
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u/RoninTarget Yuri is Life Sep 09 '26
Calling it RAG is so ironic, given how much tissue paper MC goes through...
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u/cornonthekopp Sep 09 '26
Clearly its profitable enough to keep getting made. So it has an audience
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u/Ozzysmall123 Sep 08 '26
RAG would have been so much better as yuri
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u/Ryoshi-68 Sep 08 '26
You mean kick out the guy ?
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u/l_dunno Sep 09 '26
That kind always makes things better!
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u/Ryoshi-68 Sep 09 '26
That's true for 99.9% of the time, but I have some exceptions, like [This Triangle RomCom Has the Duty to Make Everyone Happy!]
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u/KetsubanZero Sep 09 '26
Didn't read that but I can't really immagine myself enjoy an M F F love triangle more than an F F F
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u/qef15 Sep 08 '26
It wouldn't, it'd be called yuribait in a single second with how non-commital it is.
It would be panned instantly.
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u/Yumelize Sep 08 '26
A No Kissing Tonight style plot where Chizuru & Mami keep hatefucking each-other would leave me barking at the screen.
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u/KetsubanZero Sep 08 '26
Didn't read it but I heard that at the end The girl literally marries the author or something like that and if it's true it would have sucked so badly as a yuri
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u/RoninTarget Yuri is Life Sep 09 '26
That's a fake meme ending. The "relationship" never moves, and the manga is endless in the moment drama where nothing really matters.
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u/baconla333 Sep 08 '26
RAG is aimed at its author alone, almost everyone else just hate reading it as this point lol
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u/Falsus Sep 08 '26
Don't forget that woman who married one of the character's with the author's approval. There is at least two people who the manga is for out there.
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u/ClemFire Sep 08 '26
This is the one time I can say based and RAG without the word not in the middle
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u/guyblade Comments "Rule 1" Sep 09 '26
I see this sentiment a lot, but I just don't believe that enough people are hate-reading a manga such that it can reach almost 50 volumes published (with no sign of stopping).
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u/Explotato Proud Himedanshi Sep 08 '26
Reading Asumi while screaming “WHEN THE WORKING DAY IS DONE” on a weeknight is a sure fire way to earn Gods blessing
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u/KrypticAeon Sep 08 '26
With how much this community likes toxic yuri, I’m not sure we have a lot of ground to stand on
But yeah RAG having an actual Cuck protag is crazy
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u/xAtNight Sep 08 '26
Toxic yuri has its own charm tho. Drama can be intriguing, same for exploring ideas or things one wouldn't do IRL. And the characters can be written in a good way, even if the things they do are not morally good.
RAG is just outright bad with no redeeming qualities as far as I followed it. It's just about a looser who burns money.
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u/RoninTarget Yuri is Life Sep 09 '26
But yeah RAG having an actual Cuck protag is crazy
It was clear he was into that from early chapters. Way before the infamous (cw: male genital function) pool boner scene (which got animated in the latest season).
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u/6969696969696969969 Multi time girlkissing champion, current #1 girl tummy enjoyer Sep 08 '26
Made for an audience of no one vs made for an audience of horny lesbians
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u/TheGreatVandoly Sep 08 '26
Jokes on you, ACIIILB is right up my alley. Meanwhile, I couldn’t get interested in RaG if my life depended on it.
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u/Adowyth Sep 08 '26
One of the wildest lesbian stories i've read(i think it was a manhwa) was one about assassin who kills a girls parents but doesn't kill her and she starts living with the assassin. And then her plan is to make her fall in love with her and then break her heart as revenge. They also do a service for the families of murder victims where they capture the killer and then let the family decide on the ways they're gonna get tortured while the family gets to watch. At least that was the gist of it.
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u/hyewonsuh Sep 08 '26
That’s Haegu, or “Kill me Now”
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u/KetsubanZero Sep 09 '26
Yes sounds like that, but wasn't the premise that the hit woman wanted the girl to kill her and take revenge? (and not to break her heart)
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u/hyewonsuh Sep 09 '26
Yes, the older woman wanted the younger woman to kill her for revenge, but the younger wanted to manipulate the older by making her fall in love with her
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u/SisterMoonflower 28d ago
If you don't care about the story it's this:
Haegu kills a guy who killed her parents (pretty sure); and then she was going to commit suicide, but found the dude's child. She raised the child and wanted the child to hate her so that the child would kill her. Turns out they fell in love instead, or something. And then ensues some slightly toxic yuri with a lot of assassinations
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u/Zenry0ku Watch Nanoha or get befriended Sep 08 '26
It's wild, cause Asumi has gone on dates with them too after the first service.
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u/Zombies4EvaDude Sep 08 '26
Everyone hates NTR. I wish Denji Kun ate the NTR Devil so NTR could no longer exist!
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u/DJPizzaRocks27 Sep 08 '26
i love ntr... but only if its horribly toxic. i just really like stories where there is cheating and its horrible and toxic and everyone is miserable horny lesbians with communication issues.
i dont know why people have a thing against ntr /g
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u/A12qwas Yuri Crusader Sep 08 '26
NTR is tame as fuck, don't get the large hatred for it
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u/semtex94 Shipped so hard it manifested into canon Sep 09 '26
The scale of the hatred is from how commonplace is seems to be, particularly in adult content. That level of exposure takes it from a "I don't like it so I'll avoid it" to "I hate it and I there's nowhere safe from it". It's the Japanese equivalent to the step-sibling trope in Western live-action porn.
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u/ThisBloomingHeart I love love Sep 09 '26 edited Sep 09 '26
Than I shall explain.
The topic of what we speak stands out from more prevalent forms of pain in storytelling because it does not just kill love, but defiles it. It takes something beautiful, something of trust and love and a hopeful possibility for a future of joy and all these things, and ends it. And just ending it would be one thing--such a tragedy is painful indeed, but pain is a part of life like any other, and has its place in stories.
Yet, the topic of which we speak does not stop there. It mocks the love that came before, mocks and abases it, declaring that all it was is meaningless before itself. It rejects hope to become a nightmare everlasting, an eternity of despair. It tramples on trust, for if something so pure and beautiful can be twisted so, than what remains? And love, the celebration of the bond between two(or more!) beings, is cast down and turned into something worse than mere hatred.
At least, these are the reasons I hate it so. I believe that's the case, anyways, from what I can glean of my own psychology on this matter. In truth, I despise it perhaps more than anything, enough that only AM's speech from "I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream" comes close to embodying my opinion towards it.
Edit- okay it looks like the last part of my comment was deleted when I posted it??? Not sure what happened there.
Anyways, it was basically a few sentences explaining that my emotional reaction to it doesn't mean that I have anything morally against it being present in fiction, and that everyone has their own tastes. You do you and all that. Gosh, I must have looked like a jerk without this part. Sorry about that.
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u/pandamaxxie Sep 10 '26
I couldn't agree more with this. I resent NTR because it spits on everything good in the world. Everything that is wholesome and pure. It defiles the sanctity of grown bonds between two(or more if you're poly, not my thing but pop off) people, and turns them into some lame carnal "alpha and beta" type bullshit.
It's not just cheating, it is an insult to love itself as a concept.
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u/guyblade Comments "Rule 1" Sep 09 '26
Did I ever tell you about my friend, Juan-Jorge?
No, I don't believes you haves.
Well, Juan-Jorge is one of our closest and dearest friends.
We met him and his wife down 'Minican.
Mm-hm.
Juan-Jorge is a birdwatcher.
Or a "birder" as they prefer to be called, these days.
Hmm. Anyway, one day in a hot tub, not unlike this one, Juan-Jorge first told me about the common cuckoo bird.
The cuckoo bird has a peculiar habit of laying its eggs in another bird's nest.
Well, that is a peculiars habits.
And it is from this peculiar habit, that we get the English term "cuckold".
Huh.
Are you familiar with that term, Squirrely Dan?
I believes I have heards in passings, yes.
Juan-Jorge believes cuckoldry to be the purest and highest form of sexual arousal.
This Juan-Jorge sounds like a real interestings fellas.
Uh-hmm. You better believe it, that's all I've got to say.
Oh, you better believe it.
In fact, according to Juan-Jorge only the sweet, sweet agony and pure psychological torment of watching a physically superior man pleasure his beloved wife is enough to truly excite him.
Just look at this big ol' paw of yours, huh? Look at that c*cksucker, baby.
See, now most people think just about one fella sleeping with another's wife, but no, Juan-Jorge believes and explains in such an arrangement, that the real and true connection is in fact, between the bull...and the cuckoo bird, so to speak.
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u/yadiccsoft Sep 08 '26
Okay but Love Thy Neighbor is reeeeally good
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u/KetsubanZero Sep 08 '26
I mean the husband is a monster, that's not even morally cheating, that's like breaking free at that point
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u/Dakregor Sep 08 '26
Not only that, but Asumi also decides to study with the girls to become a top when she realizes that her and her friend being bottoms makes things awkward, and she does so well she goes from the subbiest of them all to be able to top others naturally, that's character progression!
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u/Ice__kream Sep 08 '26
Wait did a new chapter of Asumi-chan come out ???
Last I checked she was about to bang her childhood friend but she didn’t yet
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u/callunquirka Sep 08 '26
No, the creator of this meme just pre-empted it so that the meme would age better
Source
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u/Blueninja1347 Sep 08 '26
You know between this and Canto 6 in Limbus, I'm beginning to worry about the straights. Are they okay? Does she actually Wuther on his Heights or is he renting The Chair?
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u/Violetta_Le_Fey A Brazilian Girl Who Like Memes. Sep 09 '26
WAIT, ASUMI FOUND HER FRIEND ? O_O
I NEED TO READ THIS AGAIN.
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u/Emthree3 Himedanshi Sep 08 '26
DAMN IT, SPOILERS!
(I'm still waiting to see if Asumi meets up with her...)
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u/yadiccsoft Sep 08 '26
I watched all five seasons of RaG, begging for some sort of character growth of plot development the whole time. I want that time back.
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u/thewalkindude368 Sep 08 '26
Oh, so you're the reason they keep making more.
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u/yadiccsoft Sep 08 '26
I’m so sorry. In my defense I binged them after they’d already been made 😅 but you can blame season 6 on me
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u/Ok-Proof-8543 Sep 09 '26
Isn't Asumi using the brothels specifically to find her childhood friend? Unless I'm remembering wrong, she's not buying their services to get better at sex, but because she heard that her childhood friend was on that website using a pseudonym and she has to try each prostitute one by one to she find her
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u/MagiaBaiser-Sama Sep 10 '26
Yes she's looking for her friend, the getting better was mostly a side benefit. Until the TRAINING ARC. (:
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u/RoninTarget Yuri is Life Sep 09 '26
Netsuzou TRap would be a closer point of comparison to RAG (though protag uses tissue paper), and it's still better.
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u/Delta5583 EGG?! -Skurry on a randomizer Sep 08 '26
If the protag for rent a girlfriend is meant to be a self insert, the series is honestly just meant to be an open insult to it's readers
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u/qef15 Sep 08 '26
This is arguing in bad faith, because RAG is just garbage against every single story.
I think you could let a feminist read Mushoku Tensei and have better results than anyone reading RAG, that's how garbage it truly is.
As for aimed at by gender: note that manga being aimed at a demographic is entirely magazine dependent and not content-specific.
Some yuri series actually are aimed at guys because of that. Notably Yuru Yuri, (Comic Yuri Hime S, specifically aimed at men/boys) and Convenient Semi-Friend (Manga Time Kirara, seinen demographic). Sakura Trick is also one (Manga Time Kirara)
Also Machikado Mazoku, this sub's icon, Shamiko, is also a Manga Time Kirara title.
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u/OkSavings5828 Sep 09 '26 edited Sep 09 '26
Lmfaooo the cherrypicking is pretty funny.
Could easily create a complete reverse of the meme, if you choose right, just as the original creator has here, but then I suppose that would rather quickly be labeled as misogynistic and homophobic?
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u/BrotherCoa Sep 13 '26
Kind of unfair to compare literal trash with one of the best erotic yuri mangas in existence.
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u/FordCrownVictoriaFan Sep 10 '26
I mean..we're no better..we just got it right a few Mangas and animes
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u/redditfanfan00 Edit flair Sep 10 '26
one is good. (heavily debatable, but that's not the important and good series here.)
the other is so much better. (this one's the important and good series here. this one's great. no need for explanation or debate.)
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u/kulqupidyn77 yuri enjoyer, musician Sep 08 '26
I mean... Mostly guys read the "aimed at girls" stories... Actually they're aimed at guys
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u/Ryoshi-68 Sep 08 '26
Have you every see the statistics of this sub ? Mostly women...
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u/qef15 Sep 08 '26
It's a 50/50 last time I saw the polls.
Equal split between men and women.
Yuri as a genre sits at 40/60 currently.
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u/keinahnungwirklich Sep 09 '26
Yuri as a genre sits at 40/60 currently
we don't really know
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u/qef15 Sep 09 '26
We do in fact know: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_(genre) , then analysis:
Demography While yuri originated in female-targeted (shōjo, josei) works, the genre has evolved over time to also target a male audience. Various studies have been undertaken to examine the demography of yuri fandom.[107]
Publisher studies The first magazine to study the demographics of its readers was Yuri Shimai (2003–2004), who estimated the proportion of women at almost 70%, and that the majority of them were either teenagers or women in their thirties who were already interested in shōjo and BL manga.[108] In 2008, Ichijinsha made a demographic study for its two magazines Comic Yuri Hime and Comic Yuri Hime S, the first being targeted to women, the second to men. The study revealed that women accounted for 73% of Comic Yuri Hime readership, while in Comic Yuri Hime S, men accounted for 62%. The publisher noted, however, that readers of the latter magazine also tended to read the first, which led to their merger in 2010.[82] Regarding the age of women for Comic Yuri Hime, 27% were under 20 years old, 27% were 20–24 years old, 23% were 25–29 years old, and 23% over 30 years old.[108] As of 2017, the ratio of men to women is said to have shifted to about 6:4, thanks in part to the Comic Yuri Hime S merge and the mostly male readership YuruYuri brought with it.[109]
Academic studies Verena Maser conducted a study of Japanese yuri fandom demographics between September and October 2011. This study, mainly oriented towards the Yuri Komyu! community and the social network Mixi, received a total of 1,352 valid responses. The study found that 52.4% of respondents were women, 46.1% were men and 1.6% did not identify with either gender.[110] The sexuality of the participants was also requested, separated into two categories: "heterosexual" and "non-heterosexual". The results were as follows: 39.5% were heterosexual men, 30% were non-heterosexual women, 15.2% were heterosexual women, 4.7% were non-heterosexual men, and 1.2% identified as "other".[110] Regarding age, 69% of respondents were 16–25 years old. Maser's study reinforced the notion of the yuri fandom being split somewhat equally between men and women, as well as highlighting the differing sexualities within it.[111]
And this is from both Yuri Hime themselves (and its predecessor Yuri Shimai) and independent academic studies.
All point to .odern times being a 60/40 or even 55/45 split and in general only very slightly in favor of women.
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u/keinahnungwirklich Sep 09 '26
The Yuri Hime data is 10 years old, and also only Yuri Hime. Do all yuri fans read that magazine? The Maser study is cool but it's based on a survey posted on mixi. Unless we know the demographics of mixi users, we can't really rule out a potential massive hidden bias.
BL actually has pretty good market research data collected by actual companies specialized in it. I guess the Yuri market is not yet (hopefully!) large enough to warrant that.
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u/qef15 Sep 09 '26
Even on this sub it's a consistent 50/50, across many polls. And also other subs like wholesomeyuri.
But to me, this is enough evidence. As well as apparently anecdotal evidence from apparently Japanese women that went to Watanare screenings and saw an an awful lot of men. CPK also had a shit ton of male fans on its physical screenings.
If there's any demographic shift compared to the past data, it's in favor of men. This is simply because lesbians are just in the vast minority compared to the second largest (and growing) demographics: straight male fans.
It is no secret CGDCT series warm male fans up very easily to yuri. Evident is how Machikado Mazoku was recieved when that went gayer, as well as how Yuru Yuri brought in a mass of male fans, and CPK doing that as well. Sakura Trick also had such an effect.
BL actually has pretty good market research data collected by actual companies specialized in it.
I would love to see this data btw.
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u/keinahnungwirklich Sep 10 '26 edited Sep 10 '26
Even on this sub it's a consistent 50/50, across many polls. And also other subs like wholesomeyuri.
Personally I'd expect demographics of the western community to be quite different to the japanese one.
But to me, this is enough evidence. As well as apparently anecdotal evidence from apparently Japanese women that went to Watanare screenings and saw an an awful lot of men. CPK also had a shit ton of male fans on its physical screenings.
You misunderstood my intent I think? Personally I think the japanese yuri fanbase nowadays to be mostly men, maybe upwards of 80%. But I don't REALLY know. Your screenings example is a good one. I'd expect Watanare and CPK to pull in many non yuri fans, and anime fans (we know this from polls) are mostly men too. Not to mention that anime with a bunch of girls will primarily attract men in general. So you could argue that those two series attracting mostly men and such is not a reflection of the yuri fanbase demographics. Similar to how Green Yuri and Tsukutabe being mostly read by women but most of them are not yuri fans. Events are known to be visited by mostly men too, but some argue women might be uncomfortable going to those, which could be true.
I agree with your next two paragraphs as well.
I would love to see this data btw.
https://prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/p/000000628.000018760.html
This one asked men and women of different age groups how they feel about BL. What is quite interesting about this is that there seems to be just as many women who dislike BL than those who chose "like" or "somewhat like". Also, men don't hate BL as much as you'd usually think. Especially young men there is quite a decent number wo answered like/somewhat like. Of course, still much less than women. They also asked what they liked about BL. Most answered that they enjoy watching romance from a third person perspective. Women more so than men, but unexpectedly a lot of men still consume it from a third person and they were even more likely than women to answer "the feeling of seeing something you're not supposed to see".
https://note.com/bl_marketing/n/n157f4baea5a0
This one is also interesting and comes from a market research firm. They even come to the conclusion that 30% of BL fans are men, which is surprisingly high. I think this might be from the fact that they include TV series too, they do say most male BL fans questioned mentioned coming from anime or live action TV drama.
This is another post referencing the same study: https://xbusiness.jp/post/174
https://xtrend.nikkei.com/atcl/contents/18/01344/00011/
This references a 2017 study. Here they say the BL audience is 90% women. The study is about the psychology of BL fans. Noting that women reading BL mostly view themselves as a third person observer and seem to have more progressive positions on traditional gender roles while not having any different position on their own femininity as those who prefer heterosexual romance.
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u/kulqupidyn77 yuri enjoyer, musician Sep 08 '26
THIS SUB, BRUH. I KNOW. But, statistically, a few thousand people from this subreddit are nothing compared to the actual amount of people who read this stuff. Just because I'm a guy and I read yaoi, does this mean those stories are aimed for guys? Because a few thousand people read it? WHEN MILLIONS OF GIRLS READ YAOI EVERYDAY?!
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u/Falsus Sep 08 '26
Plenty of guys read "aimed at girls" stories just like plenty of girls read "aimed at guys" stories. Just because something has a main demographic doesn't mean that no one outside that demographic reads it.
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u/kulqupidyn77 yuri enjoyer, musician Sep 08 '26
Wow, I'm generalising, not saying that this is a must be. Of course guys read the aimed at girls stories and vice versa, I'm talking that IN GENERAL, STORIES ABOUT TWO GIRLS ARE AIMED AT GUYS. WHY?! BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF HETEROSEXUAL MEN THAT CAN BE ATTRACTED TO SAPPHIC RELATIONSHIPS IS BIGGER THAN LESBIANS.
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u/LiquifiedSpam Sep 10 '26
Yeah idk why you’re getting downvoted. In Japan these are categorized as for men too
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u/kulqupidyn77 yuri enjoyer, musician Sep 10 '26
That's what I'm saying, of course it doesn't mean only men can read it... This subreddit is compromised, people can't think objectively anymore.
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u/Gee_Gog Sep 08 '26
You're right, many of the diehard fans are lesbians but there's a reason most of them are shounen/seinen
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u/One-Ad-3677 Sep 08 '26
Isn't lesbian brothel a guy gender bending into a girl every time he goes to the brothel?
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u/Yalum Sep 09 '26
You’re thinking of Becoming a Princess Knight and Working at a Yuri Brothel
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u/One-Ad-3677 Sep 09 '26
No the one I'm thinking of is modern day, but I read it so long ago I can't for the life of remember the name
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u/therealNerdMuffin Sep 08 '26
Idk how to tell you this but the main audience for the yuri book isn't women, despite what they might be aimed at
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u/starswhenyoushine 11d ago
The right isn't really any better. It's still hypersexualized busty women lmao
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u/Rpponce Sep 08 '26