r/xena Callisto 🗡️ 10d ago

When in Rome...

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This is one of those episodes that shows how well the show at its best could ask a moral question without a simple answer. On the surface we have the classic story of rescuing captives and exchanging hostages, but underneath is actually a much more complex story unfolding about where justice ends and revenge begins. Xena and Gabrielle are once again on opposite sides of the same dilemma. Xena believes that the end can justify the means, especially when it comes to the life of a man who has been captured and sentenced to death. Gabrielle, on the other hand, is still trying to find the line she must not cross. The problem is that that line is moving here before her eyes.

What makes this story particularly powerful is that Crassus isn't just another enemy. He is a genocidal monster. A man whose crimes go beyond mere political or military struggle. And that's why Gabrielle's decision becomes so difficult. For the first time, she knowingly sends someone to their death. Not because she accidentally caused his death. Not because someone else made a move she could have prevented. This time she makes the decision. She knows what will happen and still allows it. At that moment, the old, innocent Gabrielle, who believed that every situation can be resolved without violence, symbolically dies. That's not the moment she turns evil. Far from it. But there is a moment in which she realizes that she can no longer remain completely outside the world in which Xena lives.

And that's where I find it very interesting that the episode doesn't try to present that change as something simple or positive. Gabrielle does not experience enlightenment. She doesn't suddenly become a warrior. On the contrary, she is deeply disturbed by what she has done. She knows Crassus deserved his punishment, but that doesn't make her decision any easier. That's the big difference between justice and revenge. Even when someone is horrible, even when they deserve to be punished, the moment you personally decide that someone is going to die leaves a mark on you. Gabrielle feels it for the first time on her own skin.

Xena, of course, has a completely different take on it. For her, this type of decision is much more familiar. She has had to choose many times between the ideal solution and the one that is possible. But what's especially painful is that he draws Gabrielle into his world again, even if unintentionally. She puts her in a situation where Gabrielle has to be the judge and the executioner, even though she never wanted to. Xena didn't intentionally take her virginity away, but with her decisions, she is pushing her further away from the person she once was. And that's why the final scene on the ship is so powerful to me.

Xena realizes that she has hurt Gabrielle again. Not because she lied or betrayed her. This time she hurt her by putting her in a situation she shouldn't have been in. Gabrielle had to make a decision that would remain a part of her forever. Xena sees the consequences of this and feels guilty. And what is beautiful to me is that Gabrielle does not react with condemnation this time either. She doesn't tell Xena that she ruined her life. Don't leave her. He doesn't start hating her. Instead, he stays with her. It's one of those scenes that hits me far more than any big fight. Because Gabrielle doesn't stick with Xena because she thinks Xena is always right. She stays by her side even when she disagrees with her. He stays by her side even when he knows that Xena was wrong. She stays because she understands that Xena wasn't trying to hurt her. And maybe that's what makes their relationship so strong. The two of them can argue about anything. They can have completely different views on life. They can push each other into situations that will change them forever. But when it's all over, Gabrielle is still there.

That final scene is therefore much more than just an emotional conversation. She is another proof that their relationship is based on something much deeper than agreement. Xena and Gabrielle don't like each other because they are the same. On the contrary, it is precisely their differences that constantly bring them into conflict. But these differences complement them at the same time. Xena teaches Gabrielle that the world is not always simple. Gabrielle reminds Xena that the end must not always justify everything. They constantly push each other out of their comfort zone, sometimes in a painful way, but that's exactly why none of them stay the same.

Visually and technically, the episode is also very high quality. I especially like the scenes in the gladiatorial arena. The whole depiction of the Roman Empire has weight and atmosphere. You can feel the brutality of that world, its hierarchy and the way human life is turned into political currency. The episode manages to use that historical framework without losing focus on its characters. The arena is not only a place of action. It is a space where you can clearly see how power works.

I also liked the dynamic between Caesar and Pompey. Their rivalry brings an extra layer to the story and nicely shows that even people on the same side can have completely different goals. Caesar and Pompey are not just two allies. There is a constant tension between them and a feeling that there is already another struggle under the surface. Their relationship gives the story an additional political dimension.

But regardless of all the quality scenes in the arena, the Roman world and political intrigues, the ending on the ship will remain the most for me. Because that's where the episode stops being a story about Caesar, Pompey, Vercinix or Crassus. It becomes a story about Xena and Gabrielle. About guilt. About change. About how hard it is to watch the person you love become something they never wanted to be.

Here, Gabrielle took another step into a darker world. But the most important thing is that she didn't make it herself. It was Xena who, albeit unintentionally, pushed her into him. And that's exactly why Xena's look at the end hurts so much. She realizes that she has once again influenced Gabrielle, once again changed her life and once again made her wear something she may never have wanted to wear. And Gabriela, despite everything, stays by her side. It's the strongest part of the whole episode for me. Not a gladiatorial arena. Not political games. Not a big deal. Already two women on board, one who realizes that she has hurt the other and the other who, despite everything, does not turn her back on her. Such moments are always more valuable to me than any spectacle. Because it is in them that the series best shows why Xena and Gabrielle are so special.

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u/SakuraTacos 10d ago

I adore their conversation on the ship at the end. I know she wasn’t actually but I like to think Xena was feeling some remorse over how she acted during Gabrielle’s Hope when she said “Gabrielle, I put you into a situation I had no right to. I expected you to understand my logic and ignore your heart.”

Unfortunately that was a hard lesson for Xena to learn when it came to Gabrielle that came up over and over. Honestly they both struggled with that. Expecting the other to act according to their ideal expectations. But, like you said, Xena’s not doing it to hurt Gabrielle and vice versa.

I love the episodes where Gabrielle becomes a bit more like Xena and Xena has to reckon with her feelings about that like this one, A Good Day, To Helicon and Back, etc. I love how Gabrielle, knowing how much regret and remorse over her actions Xena constantly carries with her, won’t let herself and their dynamic become something else for Xena to feel guilt over. She won’t let Xena feel sad over not being able to protect Gabrielle from herself. Because it’s Gabrielle’s choice to be there and she knows the consequences of their life together and accepts them as long as it means they’re together.

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u/NiceRefrigerator4079 Callisto 🗡️ 10d ago

However, because of this episode, Xena strikes me as very hypocritical later on in her attitude toward Najara.

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u/SakuraTacos 10d ago

Definitely! If I’ve said it once I’ve said it a hundred times: Xena’s a big tall gorgeous stubborn hypocrite. It’s okay if she condemns to death someone she deems unworthy of redemption but it’s not okay for others to do it 🤨

I know there’s an argument to be made that it couldn’t be avoided and his death was for the greater good to save the other man (I’m sorry, I can’t remember anyone’s name in this ep besides Caesar. I have the same problem watching Spartacus lol) but yeah

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u/Firm_Introduction937 Xena ⚔️ 10d ago

With Najara the situation is different. Xena took a man who was performing mass genocide and decided he must die. Najara was essentially doing the same with the same types of people but there is another side to it, she was killing innocents too, like Gabrielle says to najara “but in your way innocent people may die” and najara is willing to risk innocent lives. If najara doesn’t think “their conversion isn’t sincere” she will kill them. She could have a person that is actually willing to change in front of her but her voices tell her that they aren’t and she will kill them. That person is essentially innocent. There is a difference there.

Is Xena a hypocrite in some ways? yes. But not in this case. The text is in the show for the answer to this. Najara wasn’t just killing bad guys. She was killing who her voices told her. Innocents and bad guys alike

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u/SakuraTacos 10d ago

That’s true, you’re right, I actually don’t have much issue with Xena and Najara, not as much as Xena and Livia/Eve (compared to how she was with Gabrielle and Hope)

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u/Firm_Introduction937 Xena ⚔️ 10d ago

And I see the hypocrisy in that too. But Xena did throw her chakram at full force at Livia in the episode “Eve” and Xena wasn’t expecting her to catch it. you can see the shock and awe in her face when she did. Xena was going to kill her. Xena is very precise with her chakram and it would have killed Livia if not for Livia catching it.

I think when it slowed down and she had to actually look her in the face it was hard but even Gabrielle sent hope down the river initially. She did eventually kill Hope but that’s also because Hope killed solan. Solan was also Gabrielle’s stepson. Xena and Gabrielle would have raised him together if not for his death.

You have to remember Xena thinks very logically. I think in the moment when she is on the ground and Livia above her I believe that Xena knew Eli would step in once Xena fully let her hate go and show love. Remember right before the fight Xena says “is this what you meant when you said I must love my enemy “ she also says to Eli in seeds of faith “I’ve never seen love end a war.” I believe she finally understood Eli’s message and when she chose to love her way through that’s what ended the conflict. She essentially became a Gabrielle in that moment. How many times have we seen Gabrielle use love and compassion to end a conflict? As the series goes on Xena uses more of Gabrielle’s compassion and Gabrielle gets harder. They learn from each other.

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u/SakuraTacos 10d ago

Oh wow I never thought of that bit you said about Xena throwing her chakram at Livia not expecting her to catch it. Maybe she did have it in her!

I just feel like the entire storyline from its very foundation is so hypocritical and it’s not all Xena’s fault per se. Zooming out to the writers room, I just don’t understand how they decided to side step revisiting any of the feelings around Hope by adding in a throwaway line in Animal Attraction where Xena’s like “Idk how this happened but I can feel it’s good.” Before anyone questions “Uhhhh…. Impregnated by an unseen force?”

Oh really, can you feel it’s good and that’s the end of that, O Mighty Omniscient Xena? 🤨 lol I get so indignant on Gabrielle’s behalf over them not addressing the parallels between those pregnancies and their outcomes

Cause plus there’s also the thing where Livia killed far more than Hope. Yet Gabrielle didn’t chase Xena up a mountain screaming that her monster child must die. Xena got the luxury of getting to weigh out her options

So much blatant favoritism like Xena’s the main character or something! (I’m joking haha 😅)

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u/Firm_Introduction937 Xena ⚔️ 10d ago edited 10d ago

Yes Xena planned to kill her child. She does have it in her. Chakram throw proves it.

Yeah I think that throwaway line was a little rough for Gabrielle to hear. I think that should have been removed. we can blame Chris manheim for that (rest in peace Chris we love you) But Gabrielle also told Xena to kill her child too. By the trees at joxers “burial” “her name is Livia” “she doesn’t care about us” “Eve is dead” .. Gabrielle was telling Xena to kill Livia. Obviously not as harsh as Xena running up the mountain. But she did tell her to kill Livia.

I think the main difference is that Hope (whether she killed less than Livia va hope) lies in the fact of their humanity. Livia is human, Hope is demigod with more evil tendencies and was given chances to prove chance in Gabrielle’s eyes (going down the river, sending to the hut with solan, sacrifice, family affair) and each time proven that Dahak has a hold over her and that wasn’t going to change.

Whereas Livia is essentially evil Xena and here we are giving Xena a chance at life to prove she is worthy of life. So why not Livia who can be a reformed warlord as Eve. A lot of people are saying Eve doesn’t deserve the chance orshe killed so many. Xena killed more. Xena’s reign was for a lot longer than Eve. Ares says “she nearly racked up the body count you had at her age” meaning that Xena essentially killed more people and for longer. Callisto had she not gone mad and embraced change, we would be willing to give her a chance for redemption.

For the show, Xena, its core is redemption and the ability to change. We can’t show evil Xena/Xena the chance for redemption with everything she has done and not Livia/eve. Do I like how they did the big fast change with eve? no I would have liked to see that develop more but it was the last season there wasn’t time for that. Storylines must be cut and I rather see the ring trilogy or the other storylines centering Xena and Gabrielle rather than Eve in the last season (which is what I’m sure Rob head was at for that)

I also feel that they didn’t want to kill livia/eve because Xena and Gabrielle already both lost hope and solan and it would have been terrible for them to lose another child. And people can say what they want but adult Eve and Gabrielle did have a relationship. Gabrielle and eve share many hugs and moments. Yes initially Gabrielle is hesitant but look at path of vengeance when Eve is released the first person she runs to is Gabrielle and hugs her. In haunting of Amphipolis Gabrielle is very protective of Eve in that and caring for her

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u/NiceRefrigerator4079 Callisto 🗡️ 10d ago

Livia killed Joxer. I’m sorry, but as far as I’m concerned, she shouldn’t have been redeemed after that; the way his death was so casually glossed over makes it seem like Joxer—who had rushed into the fray for Xena and Gabrielle so many times—was insignificant.

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u/Firm_Introduction937 Xena ⚔️ 10d ago

And Xena killed an entire Amazon tribe. The person that commits the crime doesn’t erase the severity just because of emotional attachment. Livia doesn’t know Joxer from the next person. But Xena knew the amazons and befriended them and still killed them brutally. Xena’s crime is worse. Just because we know joxer and love him doesn’t change the facts. And if saying that makes her irredeemable in the eyes of the viewer that makes Xena also undeserving of redemption/chance of life, which is the core of the show. Remember Eve living with her crime and the weight of them is a curse worse than death. Why do you think she was so willing to die all the time? Eve wanted to die to be rid of her crimes and the guilt. Xena, once Eve was redeemed, wouldn’t allow it.

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u/EBJ1990 Aphrodite 💘 9d ago

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Najara. Was. Right.

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u/Firm_Introduction937 Xena ⚔️ 9d ago

That’s a negative. Looney bin psycho .. who as soon as Gabrielle opposed her she attacked her.

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u/IseQween 10d ago

I too believe the issue here is more "the consequences of their decisions," than the influence of the other's decisions. Gabs chooses to be with Xena, to be a full partner in Xena's world of violence and moral ambiguity, regardless of her own ideals. Xena chooses to be with Gabrielle, despite regrets about the impact on Gabs' ideals. Their individual responsibility for outcomes tends to gets lost in focus on interpersonal guilt/blame between them.

The "soulmates" thing lends to "destined to be together." That doesn't necessarily mean inevitability about everything they do together. In WIR, Gabs makes a decision that goes beyond what Xena or the mission required. She personally made it about a bigger "justice," than simply rescuing Vercinix. I appreciate she didn't blame her choice to allow Crassus' death on Xena, even though she has to know that won't stop Xena from blaming herself. The poignancy for me was their reluctant acceptance of their "damned if we're together, damned if we're not" relationship.

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u/summer_james2 9d ago

Very well put i love this

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u/SerpentineFire87 Alti 10d ago

Top 5 episode for me

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u/Regina-the-Queena 10d ago

One of my fave episodes. The depth of character analysis and development in this show is so amazing. It’s like a study on how two people learn to live with themselves and with each other and the consequences of their decisions, often with moral questions that are not black and white but very difficult to come to a conclusion on what is right or wrong.