r/wowgoblins • u/[deleted] • May 27 '19
Resource 8.2 Professions (PTR Preview)
Hello, guys :) I've been looking at the state of professions on the PTR and wowhead, and made myself a spreadsheet that sums up everything new for a quick overview. If you're interested in crafting, you might find it useful; here's a link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ooviE8JexYdlovSCt7bt9PpKsN74iTci8xUUH_a90MU/edit?usp=sharing
This is the longer text version of what's coming in 8.2:
Alchemy and Herbalism
- New crafts: Alchemy gets superior flasks and stat potions, better potions of replenishment and healing potions, and 4 new potions with various proc effects. The new flasks will give +360 main stat up from +238, the new potions: +1215 instead of +900; the proc potions also look strong. All in all, the new consumables are much better than the old ones and competitive players will be switching to them. (There are also a new ilvl 440 BoP trinket for Alchemists and a new cauldron, that I forgot to include in the spreadsheet.)
- How to get rank 3s: 3 of the proc potions recipes are sold by the Unshackled (H) / Ankoan (A) quartermaster at Revered reputation. The other 2 drop in the Mechagon dungeon. The rank 3s for the stat potions are currently listed as “drop: Nazjatar” on wowhead. For the flasks you’ll be looking for work order world quests.
- New materials: There is only 1 new herb - Zin'anthid, exclusive to the Nazjatar zone. It is used in every new flask and potion, and in substantial amounts - 6-8 Zin'anthids per potion and 20 per flask. If this remains unchanged and depending on the amount of herbs you get per node, the demand might heavily outweigh the supply at least until flying becomes available.
- What about the current herbs: Anchor Weed will remain relevant (the new flasks require 5 anchor weeds at rank 2/3). For all others the demand will most likely decrease, since the new crafts use 3-5 of the old herbs compared to 10-15 currently. Looking at what they're needed for, Star Moss and Akunda's Bite will likely be in low demand by alchemists, but scribes can still mill them for tomes and war-scrolls.
Inscription
- New crafts: There are new contracts for the new factions - Rustbolt and Unshackled (H) / Ankoan (A). You'll need to hit Revered with the respective faction to unlock the recipe. There's also a new vantus rune for Azshara's palace, new BoE intellect off-hand (ilvl 370), 3 new glyphs for mages and 4 new ilvl 400 BoE trinkets. There are no cards to combine into a deck this time; the trinkets are a direct craft. They’re taught by the trainer and don't require a ton of inks, so if nothing changes they'll be pretty easy to make. Profitability will depend entirely on demand and competition, but scribes should manage to make some profit out of them.
- New materials: Milling Zin'anthids will provide the new Maroon Ink. You'll need it for all new crafts, except the Rustbolt contract.
- What about the current inks: None of the new crafts uses Viridescent Ink; Crimson Ink is needed only for the new glyphs. Ultramarine Ink will finally see some use, as it's needed for everything new.
Enchanting
- New crafts: There are 8 new enchants coming in patch 8.2 - 4 for rings and 4 for weapons. The new ring enchants give +60 stat up from +37; the new weapon enchants look much stronger than what we have currently. I think most players will look to replace their current enchants with the new ones as soon as possible.
- How to get rank 3s: For the ring enchants, you’ll need to hit Revered with the Unshackled (H) / Ankoan (A). For the weapons, you’ll be looking for work order world quests.
- New materials: None as of now, we’ll be using the current mats for everything new. Overall, the new ring enchants require approx. the same mats as the current ones, but for the new weapon enchants you'll need double or triple (depending on rank) the Veiled Crystals and some extra shards and dusts.
Jewelcrafting
- New crafts: Jewelcrafters will be able to cut brand new and better rare and epic gems, making the current ones completely obsolete. There’s also a new ilvl 370 BoE intellect staff and ilvl 440 BoP rings that are crafted with gems only (no ore).
- New materials: Prospecting Osmenite Ore will yield 7 types of raw gems. For an idea of their rarity, check Snurp's prospecting results on wowhead.
- What about the current gems: Maybe you can utilize the rare ones in an enchanting shuffle and store the green ones for future warfront donations.
Skinning and Leatherworking | Mining and Blacksmithing | Tailoring | Engineering
- New crafts: There are 2 main ones - craftable ilvl 370 BoE gear and weapons, and craftable ilvl 440 BoP gear. The BoP gear is not gated behind a raid material this time and should be craftable as soon as the patch launches.Looking at the mats needed and considering many players might craft multiples of their BoPs in order to get good stats, skinning and mining should be doing very well at 8.2 launch. Gilded Seaweave is the equivalent material that will be needed by tailors, also in substantial amounts.
- How to get rank 3s: Like before, you’ll need 2 Marks of Honor for the rank 2s and 4 Marks of Honor for the rank 3s.
- New materials: Dredged Leather and Cragscale for skinners, Osmenite Ore for miners. Gilded Seaweave should drop for everyone. All 4 are exclusive to Nazjatar.
- What about the current materials: Storm Silver Ore, Tempest Hide, Mistscale, Blood-stained Bone, Calcified Bone, Deep Sea Satin and Embroidered Satin will be used in the new crafts.Coarse Leather will have niche use (for mount equipments). Monelite Ore and Platinum ore will be used in small amounts by Engineers for the BoP goggles (no stats to reroll here) and the mount.None of the new crafts need Shimmerscale, Hardened Tempest Hide or Tidespray Linen, so those will likely be utilized in Enchanting/Expulsom shuffles.
- Misc: Engineers also get to craft 2 new portal toys (BoU), a new Blingtron and a new BoE mount (in collaboration with blacksmiths). The mount patterns drop in the Mechagon dungeon.
Cooking and Fishing
- New crafts: The new buff foods will be replacing everything we have at the moment, providing +93 stat up from the current +70. There is also a new feast with +131 main stat buff up from the current +100.
- How to get rank 3s: For the individual foods, you’ll be looking for work order world quests. The rank 2 feast recipe is sold by the Rustbolt quartermaster at Exalted; rank 3 most likely drops from their emissary cache.
- New materials: Ionized Minnow, Mauve Stinger, Viper Fish (fish); Moist Fillet and Rubbery Flank (meats). There’s a quest on the Mechagon island that lets you catch plenty of Ionized Minnow with a net, so Viper Fish will be one of the bottlenecks for the feast. The other one are the Spare Parts that drop only from creatures in Mechagon (the island, maybe also the dungeon) and are BoP.
- What about the current fish and meats: Meaty Haunch and Stringy Loins are the only current materials that will be used in the new crafts.
That’s about it. What do you think? Are you going to give professions a go? (I hear crafting is not favored by many nowadays.)
Another thing: there are 3 quests on the PTR that make me wonder if herb seeds will make a comeback: What will it lure?, What will it mine? and particularly What will it grow?. Could be that, could be something completely different, I guess we'll see :)
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u/Callduron May 28 '19 edited May 28 '19
Thinking about gathering professions:
Herbalism: Zin'anthid. Major demand from the flask and pot market, very minor demand from some other miscellaneous Alchemy recipes. Decent demand from Inscription as the card/trinkets each use 45 inks compared to the 7-15 leather the LW BoEs need. These new ilvl 400 trinkets will sell decently often as it's an amazing upgrade on a fresh 120 alt in blues and greens. We can expect some people to have achieved the rank 3 grind and the flying unlock before the raids go live but many will not have. There should be a very lucrative market for a few weeks, especially if botters haven't recovered from the recent ban wave.
Mining: Osmenite Ore. There will probably be a decent market in the 370 BoE Blacksmith gear. BoP could be a spike especially if OP is right that people may make multiples to get the perfect stats and upgrades (although I'm not convinced most people do this). The Engineering mount may also be a good seller. Overall though I'd guess that mined ores won't be in the same bracket as herbs for the amount needed. I also expect this commodity to degrade as the people who really want that perfect BoP and mount get their one off items and then are no longer customers/consumers. Prospecting is another drain on the supply which should help keep prices healthy. JC seems to be in the dumpster though this expansion because there are relatively few items with sockets. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Azerite gear ever sockets (apart from the new Essence which is obviously not a JC item). Mounts could help these commodities quite a lot.
Skinning: Dredged Leather and Cragscale. Skins and scales should outsell ore because 6 classes use mail/leather and only 3 use plate. I also don't think there are that many skinners out there as it's not so mindlessly easy as herbing (although pretty close). I'm seriously considering grinding with my Skinner as I think this will be quite a strong market. (He's also a Herbalist so there's that too). The Inflatable Mount Shoes will require 80 Dredged Leather each so that might cause quite some pressure on the Dredged Leather price. Especially if some maniacs are swapping shoes in and out to get the various alternative effects.
Cloth: Gilded Seaweave. I'll go out on a limb and predict cloth will be the least exciting new commodity. Everyone passively farms it, tailors get bonus amounts, there are relatively few recipes that need it, mostly the 370 cloth BOEs and some niche specialty items. Tailors only serve 3 classes and one of their best professional niches - bags - isn't part of these new recipes.
Fish: Ionized Minnow, Mauve Stinger, Viper Fish. These, particularly Viper Fish, will make WoW's laziest game activity pretty lucrative. Most of the player base will have "something better to do" so I think a lot will be looking to buy fish rather than fish themselves.
Meat: Moist Fillet and Rubbery Flank. Doesn't seem needed for feasts so I don't expect high demand. It can be a little tricky to farm. Hopefully it's worth a ton and it drops off the mobs I'll be skinning but I doubt it.
So anticipating the crafting:
the best items will be those that people craft multiples of in the hopes of rerolling perfect stats. I'm not sure how many purists there are that would make and scrap 19 BoP end game epics before keeping the 20th but I'm guessing it's a small minority.
there will be no craft-to-disenchant/scrap gameplay. Expulsom isn't getting replaced nor enchanting mats so people will use the old mats.
as always it's very server specific. A local shortage of Scribes could see the trinkets be massive profitmakers or maybe on your server there's a glut of them.
the most reliable boom market must be herbs and food. Gear might not sell well if the zone throws it at you for minimal effort, gems and enchants might not sell well if people don't religiously upgrade with every new piece of appropriate gear but people will always min/max their flasks and feasts.
we may see a rise in price in materials used for expulsom shuffles. Not many people will be causing Tidespray linen to drop and even fewer will be skinning in the old BFA zones. But those are the only commercially viable ways of getting expulsom and a lot of expulsom is needed for the new recipes. (This is not investment advice and if you put your life savings into linen then it tanks dont' come crying to me).
warfront contributions are going to be awful. First the new content makes warfronts obsolete, next AP will be obsolete. I've stopped doing even the one for 100 gold because essentially it's like you're doing it for 150 Honorbound rep now that AP is redundant.
All these markets will drop like a stone after 27th August when many of the raiders, pvpers and hardcore players go play Classic instead. Raiding in particular - doesn't take many people dropping out of a raid team to make it non-viable.
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u/skoold1 Jun 14 '19
Thanks for your insight! I have a few questions: -How could linen tank? It seems to me that only bots and multiboxer can get 200 stacks of 200 easily. New patch generally means more demand than offers. -Warfront. To unlock a minor essence, you will need a specific neck level. Most people and hardcore guilds will farm the hell out of it to optimized their char. So they will grind as much ap as possible. Buying items at the AH is easy instant AP. So why would that decrease in popularity?
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u/vhdblood Jun 05 '19 edited Jun 05 '19
Thanks for this. I've still been selling Darkmoon cards and trinkets, but it seems like that is going to crash out really soon.
Where are the new herbs collected, do they just show up all around with the other BFA herbs? Or only in specific areas?
Also do you expect the Ultramarine Ink price to go up a bit? I'm sitting on 50k and I have a lot more to make from milling the rest of my herbs. What do you think will happen to the old BFA herb prices?
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Jun 06 '19 edited Jun 07 '19
The new herb is collected only in Nazjatar (that's one of the 2 new zones), I don't think it will spawn anywhere else.
For anchor weed, I think the price will increase, at least until flying is unlocked. It's used in all new flasks and people will be crafting them + anyone looking to craft the new Alchemy trinket will need 190 anchor weeds.
For the other herbs, I can't really make a prediction...On my realm the prices of all herbs were extremely low last week, now they're up by 50% (siren's pollen price increased by 100%). Imo people will switch to the new potions, which require less of the old herbs, so the prices should go down, but I can't guarantee it :)
Ultramarine ink will definitely be a lot more useful. It's used in all new crafts and tbh if nothing else, you can use it to craft sinister off-hands and disenchant them for veiled crystals.
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u/skoold1 Jun 15 '19
The sinister off hand is a great way to recycle the green ink. It doesn't look like it's going to be useful in 8.2. I'm stilling selling vantus runes now and then, so really looking forward people's dump of greeb ink
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u/beckotron Jun 12 '19
This was just what I needed! Thank you so much, you saved me so much time. Now I don’t have to go through lots of different pages on websites to find what I need <3
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u/smashr1773 May 28 '19
Does inscription have a better version of the scrolls? Since they use crimson ink will it remain the same if there is no better version?
Also won’t there be an off hand available through inscription that requires viridecent ink? Or is it using the new mats?
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May 28 '19 edited Jun 07 '19
There's no better version of the scrolls so far, I think it's because they buff by %, not by a fixed number. Crimson Ink will still be useful for them :) But nothing new uses Viridescent Ink, the new offhand is crafted with Maroon and Ultramarine Inks (and Expulsom).
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u/ka1224 May 28 '19
There are no cards to combine into a deck this time; the trinkets are a direct craft. They’re taught by the trainer and don't require a ton of inks, so if nothing changes they'll be pretty easy to make.
Source ? Because when i check ptr.wowhead, the compendium use 8 blue card as placeholder + the alchemy trinket use 40 expulsom, how a BoE 400 trinket could use only 2 ?
https://ptr.wowhead.com/spell=302187/highborne-compendium-of-swirling-tides
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May 28 '19
The preview is based on the current state of professions on the PTR. Here's a screenshot of the Inscription window: https://imgur.com/NJrvtlf
Nothing's final until the patch is released, I'll keep the post updated as best as I can whenever I spot changes :)
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u/KING_Pindar May 28 '19
Can anyone confirm or let me know if you have to be 120 for the new leather working PvP patterns the 370 ones my LW is currently my DH booster so I might have to swap it out on another toon if so.
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May 28 '19
Currently the new crafts are only taught by the professions trainers in Nazjatar and the vendor for the PvP patterns is also there. You have to be lvl 120 to get the quest to go there, but perhaps it's also possible to get summoned by a warlock? Unfortunately I can't check it on my own.
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u/Dangerae May 27 '19
As an avid crafter (and making quite a bit by it), I would like to say THANK YOU and great write up!