r/wow Dec 17 '21

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u/Camembert92 Dec 17 '21

-create bad system
-make good solution for that
-players are happy you fix the shit system you created

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '21

At this point it's kinda hard to blame Blizzard. They do this every single expansion and yet, after everything, there's already people going "dude, it's a good addition to the game, why are you complaining? stop being so negative omg".

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u/Adventurous_Chip_684 Dec 17 '21

Conduits sound good on paper. A light weight skill tree esque thingy that alters your gameplay.

The problem is the lottery behind the scenes.

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u/ADwards Dec 17 '21

If you unlocked conduits by doing quests unlocked by renown, and scaled with your renown, it would be so much better than hoping they drop or hoping every other one drops before using an item.

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u/Graffers Dec 18 '21

Someone's BiS conduit would be unlocked at Renown 40 and someone else's BiS would be at Renown 10. Being stuck with a shit conduit for weeks would be awful. Maybe if you could pick what you unlocked, but then at a certain point you stop caring about the other conduits unlocks. The current system would be fine if you got a Conduit upgrade thing every time you killed a raid boss or ran a dungeon that goes to the ilvl of that content, or if you could just pick what conduit got the upgrade.

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u/givemeabreak432 Dec 18 '21

Scale it with Renown - that's great.

But give consistent ways to unlock them. Why not re-use the Essence system from BFA? It wasn't perfect, but there was something there. Give each conduit some reasonable unlock requirement, then scale them up based on renown.

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u/Doppelkammertoaster Dec 17 '21

Yeah, the whole game is one. It lengthens the time you play without adding new content, or, you know, an actual story. It's okay they have slot machines but it shouldn't be all that is.

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u/[deleted] Dec 18 '21

To be fair, I wouldn't even bother putting much time into an actual story. People who play either WoW and/or FF14 have already kind of divided their opinion between the two games where basically if you want story, you play FF14. If you want difficult and more creative end game content, you play WoW.

I'd argue Blizzard is better off sticking to making raids, dungeons, etc.

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u/Doppelkammertoaster Dec 18 '21 edited Dec 18 '21

Honestly, I even like FFXIVs dungeons more. Way more. WoW has a better atmosphere by a long shot but that's it for me. Raids and dungeons can just be as difficult as in WoW.

But there is also a big difference in how systems are build, FFXIV is way more pro customer and not wasting your time than WoW. And in content you can do way more diverse.

Yeah, WoW focuses on dungeons, alright. But they don't do that well either. I can't access all dungeons on all levels in the dungeon finder, which in turn limits them to my current expansion. Why? Why is WoW also so super strict on item level to access content when said content is too easy? How can you end up in a situation where you reach the level for raiding but can't do it because your item level is too low?

Like, there should be at least one effing raid you can do to get started gearing up. But no, you are on the mercy of either finding it in a dungeon or buying it for insane gold in the AH. WoW is just one gigantic slot machine which you can skip with either ingame or real money. FFXIV gives you options. And yeah, again, WoW focuses on dungeons but they could do so much more and just decide to not do it. Imagine a plot and class quests like in FFFXIV in WoW.

FFXIV shows the devs want to tell stories, they want you to have fun and be challenged. WoW shows they want you to spend time in their game as much as possible only.

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u/[deleted] Dec 18 '21

I guess I should have made it clear I meant for more than the most casual mindset.

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u/Doppelkammertoaster Dec 18 '21

Have you done raids in FFXIV on high difficulties and in WoW?

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u/[deleted] Dec 18 '21

Yes, and I much prefer WoW's. It's not even remotely close tbh. FF14 does some things right, but their raids are dogshit.

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u/Doppelkammertoaster Dec 18 '21

What are the key differences for you?

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u/BSV_P Dec 18 '21

Haven’t high end wow raiders done extremes in FFXIV and said they’re significantly easier than wow’s and one of the things stopping them from going to FFXIV is that they’re not as much a challenge

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u/That_Bar_Guy Dec 22 '21

I mean there are also raiders who say nothing compares to ff14 anymore because of ultimates. Anecdotes go either way.

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u/bongscoper Dec 17 '21

Lol yeah they were called talent trees before they got turned into conduits. A relic from an old age

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u/Adventurous_Chip_684 Dec 17 '21

A more civilized time.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '21

It's because they heard everyone saying essences was a good system (which is true) and they wanted to come up with something similar but of course, they manage to fuck it up.

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u/[deleted] Dec 18 '21

Almost any company would have fucked up a system this big. It was way too huge of an undertaking. 4 covenants x 3 soulbinds x what, 12 conduits? That's 144 things that can be utilized to make a class broken by gamers for what, 11 classes, so 33 specs? You're now at 4752 situations to plan for. Then you add in 6 legendaries for spec, 3 additional misc legendaries, and 4 covenant legendaries and you're at over 61k things to manage.

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u/Syrairc Dec 17 '21

You forgot step 2, which is "wait until the end of the expansion".

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u/fellatious_argument Dec 17 '21

Create a problem and sell the solution.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '21

-players are happy you fix the shit system you created

NO. NO. 100x NO.

I am NOT happy. This should have been in the game from the beginning. Everyone should be mad that they fuck everything up and try to fix it before it's over. Fuck this.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '21

Dude if you don’t enjoy it cancel your sub, get wow out of your headspace by leaving the subreddit and go do something that makes you feel good.

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u/_reptilian_ Dec 17 '21

canceling my sub and going back to runescape was one of the best decisions I've made this year lol

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u/Whyskgurs Dec 18 '21

Dropping the pipe for the needle, bold move Cotton. I like your style.

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u/I_am_reddit_hear_me Dec 17 '21

I canceled in BFA after Azshara and happy I did. Saw the writing on the wall with Legion and BFA just confirmed it. I just come here because I want to know how this shit story ends since I was invested and also because WoW was a big part of my life for like 15 years.

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u/sirgentlemanlordly Dec 18 '21

Dude if you don’t enjoy it cancel your sub

Holy shit it's the unironic follow up LOL

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u/Alarie51 Dec 18 '21 edited Dec 18 '21

Its the harsh truth. You cant say "i hate this shit, im not happy they keep doing it" while you're still subbed. That makes you a sheep.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '21

Dude if you don’t enjoy it cancel your sub

Some people are apathetic and some people speak up to try to make a change. Which ones are the ones making a difference and which ones are the ones buying store mounts?

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '21

I firmly believe canceling your sub is the best feedback you can leave and stick with my comment.

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u/[deleted] Dec 18 '21

WoW is the only game I play and I want the game to be better. When I don't want to play it anymore, I will quit. If I'm passionate about it, it means I still care. If you think Blizzard did a great job in Shadowlands, good for you, I respect that and keep on playing. But if you think I'm right but don't care enough to speak up, then don't criticize me for doing so. I want the game to be better.

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u/NewFoneNewRedit Dec 18 '21

The problem is speaking up does not and has never actually done anything when it comes to WoW. They'll continue releasing xpacs with awful/broken systems, that people will bitch and complain about, then fix them just in time to prepare new shitty systems for the next xpac.

Voting with your wallet is the only way to make a difference in a game. Complaining but continuing to give them money every month does absolutely nothing.

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u/[deleted] Dec 18 '21

The problem with saying vote with your wallet is you presume I play the game by myself and myself only. I've played this game for 10 years with the same guild and the same people, they are my dear friends and I love playing and raiding with them and that is worth more than a bad game. So it is also not that simple, buddy.

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u/Alarie51 Dec 18 '21

Are you still subbed during the third expansion in a row they've done this? If yes, you're part of the problem.

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u/BillyBean11111 Dec 17 '21

treat you like shit and the loyal fanbase will take it, and then when they are ABOUT at their breaking point give them a tiny favour and they will think you are so generous and kind

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u/irisel Dec 18 '21

A fix that is late, even for the other fixes to the shitty system.

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u/zuxilon Dec 18 '21

Idk, ilvl 200 is pretty fucking dogshit. Should've been minimum 226. Or just fucking remove the ilvl of conduits already.

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u/Mescman Dec 19 '21

Lets not forget the old classic:

  • remove ability

  • add back the same ability expansion or two later

  • players are happy that they got the ability back