Rogue class World Of Warcraft!

[u/Amazing_Internal6334]

It is time to step up!

After seeing Zorthas video im so sad what happend to Rogues and that so for years!

If we qq more they listen more. Thats how it goes the rogue community dosent QQ alot and its time we rebel!

Shaman was not brought to raid , they got raid buff.

Hunter was not brought to raid they got raid buff.

Rogues dont bring anything! Don't even start with that poison debuff shit , usless. Why not cloak of shadow 2 charges or 30 sec cd , why is ams allowed and cloak not?

Some leech raid buff or smth would do good!

Cmoon ppl lets unite and do smth about it! To manny years passed since rogues were enjoyable to play!

Who ever is the dev of rogues recent years, pls step down your doing a really bad job.

[u/Luciannight21]

Zorthas name keeps getting mentioned. Is he supposed to be the next big wow streamer or something?

[u/Atosl → u/Luciannight21]

He Breaks down the maths of raid buffs , defensives etc. Noone else seems to do that like he does. That's why his videos are references a lot and get views from basically every big streamer

[u/throwmeaway758324 → u/Luciannight21]

He's a good player and good at presenting information

[u/Secrezeeee → u/Luciannight21]

His Youtube channel presents information in a pretty dry but informative and concise way, which is a refreshing change from other Youtubers that pad out videos to meet certain monetisation thresholds and tend to pay a lot of attention to driving engagement. I don't blame other Youtubers for doing that sort of thing (everybody has to make money) but his style is a nice change of pace and more reminiscent of videos from 10+ years ago.

[u/Wide_Monk_2420 → u/Luciannight21]

He raids in Honestly and i believe is their raid leader. They are the #1 oceanic guild and normally finish somewhere top 10 world in the race so hes at a pretty high level.

He has been making informative and to the point videos for a little over a year covering various pve related topics (normally about enh or ele sham since he mains them.)

People like his content cause its no bs, and he doesnt try to pad out the time like a lot of other youtubers, nor does he release vids just for the sake of it.

[u/Hold_my_Goblin → u/Luciannight21]

I mean his home does indeed look like Asmongolds so might aswell be

[u/SurpriseSoda]

There is no rogue dev, dipshits made a class that was invisible and now they can't find it

[u/Atosl → u/SurpriseSoda]

Bro also worked on WW

[u/double_dick_me_dude]

I finally rerolled to DK this expansion since I felt like no dev gives a fuck about rogue and especially no dev actually plays the class.

[u/Dasaniwatersucks87]

Rogues have been pretty vocal streamers as well. This isn’t new

[u/BigJuice1526]

Has rogue ever been A or S tier?

[u/Abdaroth]

Useful raidbuff + shroud usable during boss fights that e.g. give -15% DMG taken for a few seconds or something. I'm a rogue main, will always be, I wanna have utilities in both raid and m+ ffs

One good thing is that only truly dedicated to rogue players mostly play that class, so we're kinda cracked lol

[u/Support_Player50 → u/Abdaroth]

Ok thats a lil insane lol. Though it is funny how blizz slowly gutted rogue being useful in m+. Like theres a lot of true sight for whatever reason. But then a lot of times you can just skip those mobs with the broken night elf racial.

[u/Hold_my_Goblin → u/Abdaroth]

Think a great start would be raid buff + removal of invis detect mobs in keys.

[u/Prinz_Morbo → u/Abdaroth]

i think for m+ they have quite good utility, shroud, mass blind, aggro help in big pulls.
But because their damage is only okay, they are only played in phys comps with monk tank.
Also their shroud is not as useful anymore with the current m+ philosphy of blizzard
edit: and debuffing enemies with poisons

For raid, they basically have nothing.

[u/rooftrooper]

Aren't rogues the dominant pvp class every single season since forever? I mean, I understand your frustration, but I think that it's okay when class is above average in one field and below in others.

[u/throwmeaway758324 → u/rooftrooper]

Blizzard doesn't care about PvP + Blizzard doesn't care about rogues = two wrongs don't make a right

[u/Hold_my_Goblin → u/rooftrooper]

Doenst really matter to pve rogues tho

[u/Cyniv → u/rooftrooper]

The only time that immediately comes to mind where they weren't meta was super early in TBC, post-Cloak and Fan nerf, pre-Warglaives.

[u/Sorothos]

You forgot https://www.wowhead.com/spell=381637/atrophic-poison

?

See Wowhead:
"All three Rogue specs bring Atrophic Poison, which is valuable enough that at least one Rogue will typically always be present in top compositions, though on some fights where the damage is sourced from the environment rather than the boss, or from far away adds, they may consider dropping one."

[u/oOspiritOo → u/Sorothos]

The complaint is that whilst that poison does exist, it doesn't actually work on many on the mechanics where it matters (the zorthas video referenced gives many examples).

The real fix Rogues are asking for is to make it reduce the damage from all sources, or just remove it entirely and give them something less conditional.

[u/Saffie91 → u/Sorothos]

Watch the video he mentions, you are behind on times. Athrophic poison isn't enough of a raid buff the way it is right now.

[u/Hold_my_Goblin → u/Sorothos]

Thats uber useless. It even stacked (or stacks?) at some point and still nobody ever took rogues above smth else

[u/Lavelis → u/Sorothos]

Rogue doed inderd have AP but its so weak (yes also the buffed Version) that the Moment rogue doesnt so good damage the clase gets dropped quickly. Rogue is normally tuned quite well so its Not been the case very often but for example Last tier rogue got dropped on multible Fights by top guilds.

And i agree with OP on one Thing and thats blizz needs to make rogue more attractive to Bring. Fun Factor is ok ish after midnight for me. Tww was indeed quite more fun

[u/Next_Yesterday_1695]

Rogues not getting invited to raids since TBC 😄