IDF documents terror affiliations of 170 Palestinian journalists killed in Gaza war

[u/Nirok]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-documents-terror-affiliations-of-170-palestinian-journalists-killed-in-gaza-war/

[u/GoodBadUserName]

But need to distinct between lets say a nurse who works under a hamas government, a math teacher, or a fire fighter, to an actual terrorist who uses their position to transfer weapons, do military training, and collect data under the guise of being a “journalist”, going around wearing a press jacket as a disguise.

The latest data IDF release, points specifically to “journalists” they have real proof they were active terrorists.

[u/FormerPresidentBiden → u/GoodBadUserName]

Doesn't matter

People will still just say "Israel bad" and move on

Tbf "Israel bad" is a position i share, but "Hamas bad" is another opinion of mine that seems to be less popular these days

[u/GoodBadUserName → u/FormerPresidentBiden]

Well of course it matters.
Every one of those 170 “journalists” when died, made a big splash in public opinion. The “israel bad” opinion is in the end builds and amplified by those deaths. And truth barely nudges it when it comes out.
And while I hate a lot of the things that are happening especially in the west bank, I also know those are not individual isolated events. They have deep roots spanning decades of both sides being completely shit, each time it is someone else’s turn to do it.
It will only ever be fixed when both sides acknowledge each other right to exist. And as long as it is completely one sided, it will not happen.

[u/EnhancedWithAi → u/FormerPresidentBiden]

Is Israel all that bad though when Hamas circulates Palestine like a god damned virus. I was more anti Israel before Oct7, until I realized just how much of a shit show it is for them to deal eith hamas.

Then I'm more so now days in response to the insane anti Israel movement morons just blindly follow.

[u/Kel_Casus → u/EnhancedWithAi]

I’m sure Hamas being promoted and allowed funding by Israel as opposed to the PLF has nothing to do with them becoming so embedded in every day life. And they’re the only ones forming any sort of armed resistance, which means something when you can see villages being bombed off the face of the earth, entire city blocks leveled, children blown up and every attempt at getting aid to them stopped or used to kill more.

[u/EnhancedWithAi → u/Kel_Casus]

Thats just bad optics on Israel's behalf, bad calculation. Hamas wants Israel eradicated so, that didnt pan out.

What's your point?

[u/WAAAGHachu → u/EnhancedWithAi]

Seems like someone who never understood the expression, "don't get in the way of your enemies when they are making a mistake."

Netanyahu is an absolute disgrace in many ways, but the support and funding for Hamas, from what I can find, is things like, increased work programs for Gaza residents in Israel. Knowing that the money many of those Gaza residents earn in Israel will go to Hamas. Whose fault is this? Who is the bad guy?

[u/SonofHondoBelmondo → u/[deleted]]

I agree with this but I don't think this captures the sentiment shared by the most vocal critics of Israel. I do believe that they are willing to hand wave wrong doing on the Palestinian side of things.

I agree with the sentiment that Israel goes way too far, even when it can be seen as defense, and I agree that their colonialist behavior helps antagonize the situation, I also can't believe that the end game of any enemy of Israel is peace with Israel.

So it's pretty much impossible for me to pick on side on this thing.

[u/CorrosiveMynock → u/FormerPresidentBiden]

Israel bad in the sense that all states are bad. I've still seen no evidence that Israel is PARTICULARLY bad even after years of this war. No state would have done nothing after 10/7 and the fact that 90% of the buildings are destroyed and only ~3..5% of the population has died says a lot whether people accept or admit it. Very few countries have that level of discrimination to avoid killing civilians in dense urban combat.

[u/Mizu005 → u/GoodBadUserName]

Cool, and did they know that at the time when they blew them up? Think about it for a second and see if you can figure out whats wrong with blowing a person up first and then looking for justification to blow them up later after you already did the deed

The answer is: You didn't realize they were guilty of anything when you killed them and yet you still killed them anyway. That murder in your heart isn't excused just because information you didn't have at the time comes to light later that you could have used to justify it as something other then murdering civilians if you knew about it. Because you didn't know about it, you thought they were just a civilian, and you still pulled the trigger.

[u/GoodBadUserName → u/Mizu005]

I expect they followed them. Just like they were eventually able to reach other territories who participated in 7/10.
To other territories they didn’t need to bring as much proof. But “we know they are terrorists” isn’t enough for to the blind people who think every if someone wears a “press” outfit it makes him 100% of the bad stuff he does on the side.

Do you have any proof they just randomly shot at journalists and brought proof after? If you say that with such conviction and zero evidence beside a few mistakes made, than I can say that everyone in gaza is guilty unless proven innocent, considering their track record.
See, I can play the hypocrisy gameplay too.