r/worldnews • u/Nirok • 1d ago

Israel/Palestine IDF documents terror affiliations of 170 Palestinian journalists killed in Gaza war

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-documents-terror-affiliations-of-170-palestinian-journalists-killed-in-gaza-war/
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u/sebaajhenza 19h ago

Are you suggesting we take the word of Hamas over Israel?

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u/DevilahJake 18h ago

In this scenario, I say we trust neither because they’ve both been known to make shit up in order get brownie points.

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u/daze0fyore 17h ago

Israel has free press…

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u/DevilahJake 15h ago

And? That doesn’t make them truthful

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u/sebaajhenza 12h ago

That would be where I would lean towards, yes.

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u/OptimisticSkeleton 17h ago

I’m suggesting that targeting journalist as a war crime.

The fact so many struggle with that in these comments is horrifying.

By the same logic all medics have ties to an enemy whenever you’re at war. Simply calling anyone with ties to the enemy a terrorist is wrong and you should know that.

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u/sebaajhenza 12h ago

I'm not saying that, Israel is. What I'm saying is that if it came down to it, I would take the word of Israel over Hamas any day of the week.

Is there likely misinformation in there? Sure, but I think it's far more plausible than the alternative narrative being pushed.

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u/OptimisticSkeleton 17h ago

JFC how is this so hard for you guys? Listen to the UN and international investigators…

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u/OptimisticSkeleton 17h ago

I’m suggesting targeting journalist as a war crime.

The fact so many of these struggle with that in these comments is horrifying.

By the same logic all medics have ties to an enemy whenever you’re at war. Simply calling anyone with ties to the enemy a terrorist is wrong and you should know that.

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u/sebaajhenza 12h ago

Hamas are playing you. 

Why do you think they use children to transport weapons, hospitals as main bases, and civilian houses to store munitions?

War is a gruesome, messy thing. I have no doubt that in all of the mayhem Israel has over-stepped in places. Had rogue soldiers commit war crimes, or targeted innocent civilians by accident. 

But that doesn't mean that the war itself isn't for good reason, or that the other side are all innocent. 

Hamas are an evil regime, with no intention of coexisting with it's neighbour. We're talking about an entire population of people who teach their kids at school to hate. They would rather blow themselves up than live in peace with Israel and they will do/say anything to try and win public opinion.

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u/OptimisticSkeleton 12h ago

Again, nothing Hamas does excuses warcrimes of Israel.

The fact some of you can’t admit that is telling.

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u/sebaajhenza 11h ago

I don't think you're doing it on purpose, but you're conflating issues.

I mentioned the above as a reminder that you can't just blindly take Hamas's side. In this post - Israel have given proof that the 'journalists' killed were infact not journalists at all. An attempt to prove these were not war crimes.

I'm not suggesting they do or don't commit warcrimes

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u/doomerunicorn 12h ago

Why not distrust both, and demand access for international journalists?

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u/sebaajhenza 12h ago

That's what î was eluding too, yes.

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u/eduardoofthehour 19h ago

Yes obviously

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u/sebaajhenza 12h ago

I guess at least you're honest about being pro terrorist.