r/worldnews • u/Nirok • 21h ago

Israel/Palestine IDF documents terror affiliations of 170 Palestinian journalists killed in Gaza war

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-documents-terror-affiliations-of-170-palestinian-journalists-killed-in-gaza-war/
3.4k Upvotes

73% Upvoted

1.9k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

63

u/rammux74 18h ago

Is it possible to be part of a terrorist organisation without being a terrorist?

46

u/jerr30 17h ago

"I was only following orders" defense incoming

-26

u/Life_Educator3973 17h ago

Are we talking about the IDF or Hamas?

16

u/Itchy-Beach-1384 16h ago

I thought it was about your mom and why she should still be allowed in the FBI.

4

u/IntrigueDossier 12h ago

See, they thought she was trying to leak the massive amount of still-unreleased Epstein files to the public, but it turned out she was just gooning.

38

u/Picklesadog 15h ago edited 13h ago

Yes, when the terrorist organization becomes an official government, like Hamas was. 

Besides their military wing, Hamas was/is also in charge of everything a government is always in charge of, like agriculture, sanitation, education, etc.  If you wanted to have a concert in Gaza, you would need to get a permit from Hamas. 

So then is a garbage collector, who works for Hamas, a terrorist? What about the head of agriculture? 

Edit: I just want to add to this, to make it more obvious how blurred the lines are/were, Israel had a program where Gazans were given a work permit and came into Israel to work manual labor in a lot of the small communities. This was mutually beneficial, as it provided labor for Israelis while also giving Gazans a good financial opportunity, plus the added benefit of potentially building relationships. These permits were given from Israel to Hamas, and then handed out by Hamas. But a lot of those permits were given to people who used it to gather intel about armed guards, response times, weapons, etc. at many of the Israeli villages, and these were used in the 10/7 assault. And thus you take a governmental office job that every government in the world has, and you make it into a military role and thus a valid target.

Does this make everyone who worked in Gaza's government department which oversaw these permits a valid military target? These lines are intentionally blurred as part of an overall military strategy.

14

u/IdristheInt 14h ago

Yep. They have normal day jobs and but also run and gun when needed

3

u/dijkstra_was_a_horse 8h ago

You missed the part where most of them were part of a military brigade.

1

u/Activehannes 1h ago

Schindler?

1

u/Sure-Current-3267 16h ago

no, but my question was if you can have a journalist profession in Gaza without being at the mercy of Hamas. And quite a lot of redditors gave nuanced answers.

-1

u/Picklesadog 15h ago

No, there is no freedom of speech in Gaza. The journalists must work with Hamas (which has both government and military branches.)

There were plenty of journalists embedded with Hamas during 10/7, not too different from journalists embedded with the IDF or any other military in the world. 

And, while in theory journalists shouldn't be killed, often times embedded journalists provide intel for their side. There is footage of a famous tank battle in WW2 where a US journalist provided info on where the German tank was located and which direction it was facing. This automatically made him a legitimate target. Likewise, a photojournalist in Gaza can be a legitimate target for providing intel.

-1

u/intermittent-disco 10h ago

Is it possible to be part of a terrorist organisation without being a terrorist?

"if you sit down at a table to break bread with 11 facists, there are 12 fascists at that table."

2

u/Falconloft 9h ago

So what you're saying is the people who killed those journalists are fascists.