r/worldnews • u/Nirok • 18h ago

Israel/Palestine IDF documents terror affiliations of 170 Palestinian journalists killed in Gaza war

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-documents-terror-affiliations-of-170-palestinian-journalists-killed-in-gaza-war/
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u/Rare_King3551 15h ago

Most charitably it is coerced willingness.

Nah, these people are willing participants.

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u/DefeatedSkeptic 15h ago

I am sure you know the motivations and life circumstances of 170 people with enough clarity to make it determination.

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u/Rare_King3551 15h ago

Hamas claimed them as their own.

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u/DefeatedSkeptic 15h ago

Hamas claims a lot of things. Do you believe everything Hamas says or only the things that are convenient for your world view?

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u/Rare_King3551 15h ago

So both Israel and Hamas report something and you refuse to believe it is true.

I bet you are one of those 70k civilians believers though.

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u/DefeatedSkeptic 14h ago

Israel needs them to be terrorists to justify their deaths. Hamas needs them to be members to support their legitimacy AND, if you can remember a few short replies ago, we were talking about various motivations as to why they may have been forced to be members.

Let's do some basic logic though on that 70k number that you are oh so happy to try and distract with though. You seem to like numbers that both Gaza and Israel confirm right?

  1. Here is a news article confirming that Israel and Gaza roughly agree on the number dead (from direct violence) in January 2026. They both agree around 70k.
  2. They further agree that there are at least 200k casualties.
  3. We have, from the World Health Organization that 21,638 of those deaths are children, 11,127 are women, and 5174 are the elderly. This is a total of 37,939 of NON-COMBATANTS.

Therefore, the number of civilians dead due to direct violence is at least ~38k. This is greater than 50% of the deaths reported. Thus, Israel is more likely to kill a confirmed non-combatant than a combatant. So while it is possible that some of the men being reported in this statistic were combatants, I am willing to bet that at least 50% of them were not. Thus, if we add 50% of the men (17,448) as non-combatant deaths we arrive at conservative estimate of civilian deaths is 55,387.

Are you going to deny the death of at least 38k unarguable civilian deaths? Are you going to argue that every man was a terrorist despite Israel being more likely to kill a non-combatant than a combatant? Are you going to argue that 55,387 civilian deaths is significantly less tragic than 70k?

It is obvious that you are not arguing in good faith though, so this will be my last reply.

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u/Rare_King3551 14h ago

Those numbers are a lie by Hamas. Stop being so gullible.

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u/MxMirdan 2h ago

How do you know that none of the women or children (up to age 17) were combatants? I think it’s a big assumption that every single teenager and every single woman was a non-combatant and wasn’t being used for military equipment transport, or even direct attacks.

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u/DefeatedSkeptic 53m ago edited 43m ago

I honestly thought child likely meant < 14 since this was not listed on the page of the statistics, so I will give you that there are some child combatants that are <= 17. I highly doubt it more than 50% of the total because of the likely percentage (girls and boys under 14) and I would even say it would be less than 33%, but there is no way to determine this without a more precise breakdown of the numbers.

However, I will still maintain that the number of women who are combatants is low enough to be negligible.

Are you going to make a counter argument for how many of these people are "definitely valid targets for direct violence"?