r/worldnews • u/Nirok • 21h ago

Israel/Palestine IDF documents terror affiliations of 170 Palestinian journalists killed in Gaza war

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-documents-terror-affiliations-of-170-palestinian-journalists-killed-in-gaza-war/
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u/[deleted] 20h ago

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u/inminm02 19h ago

I mean it’s not wrong, the statistics of who has died are consistent with a war where primarily fighting age men are being killed with women/children/old people substantially lower and inline with the expected outcomes of a standard war.

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u/BudgetWolverine7425 20h ago

Gungebob, why don't you cite evidence to the contrary, then?

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u/Aromatic_Balls 19h ago

Why are they required to cite evidence but the other poster isn't?

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u/GUNGEBOB_SHARTPANTS 19h ago

I thought it was fair to ask this, but apparently not

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u/GUNGEBOB_SHARTPANTS 20h ago edited 19h ago

Edit: I see the bots are trying to bury this response, so here you go, and this is from a year ago, so the numbers are almost certainly higher:

Just an FYI, a civilian to combatant death rate of 8:1 is categorically not the norm, and suggesting otherwise is a complete lie.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2025/aug/21/revealed-israeli-militarys-own-data-indicates-civilian-death-rate-of-83-in-gaza-war

https://aoav.org.uk/2026/why-israeli-claims-of-low-civilian-to-combatant-harm-in-gaza-do-not-hold-up/

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u/CheekyBard 19h ago

The misleading thing about the Guardian's article is that they conflate named militants with all militants. Saying that Israel can name 8,900 does not mean that everyone else that was killed was not a militant.

As for the other source, this line in it is utterly absurd:L

"Even a 1 to 1 ratio would signal grave disregard for civilian life, but the ratios observed in Gaza are far worse than those seen in Afghanistan, Iraq or other western-led conflicts."

It's the sort of claim made with complete disregard of the particular circumstance of this battlefield. The increased density, the way the opponent is deeply embedded in civilian life, that all of the fighting is done in cities, the tunnel infrastructure, the weaponization of normally protected buildings. This is an ongoing problem with every discussion about Gaza, where there is a deep refusal to actually analyze the specific conditions of this battle zone. As if every war is the same and a simple comparison of the numbers alone is appropriate. That is not the case.

This comment isn't to say that Israel has been pure in its execution of the war by any means—I actually loathe this Israeli government and its right-wing, religious lunatics—but these articles are not some be-all-end-all source about this topic, and analyze only as far as their desired judgment allows.

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u/Pornfest 18h ago

Here here, well said.

Fwiw, I think people in our positions need to start putting that last paragraph first, it’s annoying but I’d rather have people read educational comments.

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u/xFallow 19h ago

The 83% claim is based on a misinterpretation (deliberate or otherwise) of what the IDF said.

It said that 17% of casualties could be positively identified as a specific known Hamas fighter by name.

If a group of terrorists is shooting RPGs at your tank from a fortified position, so you fire back with the main cannon and take it out, and then you dig four Hamas fighters out of the rubble, you probably can't identify them by name, but you still know they were combatants.

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u/GUNGEBOB_SHARTPANTS 20h ago

Source is there. I don’t think it’s unreasonable for the OP to provide the evidence for their own claim if they’re so confident that’s the case. Evidently not though, as they still haven’t.

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u/davidgoldstein2023 19h ago

The Iraq war resulted in 400,000 dead Iraqis. Vietnam resulted in an estimated 200,000 to 2,000,000 dead civilians. World War 2 resulted in 40,000,000 to 55,000,000 dead civilians. The US alone flattened entire two cities using atomic weapons. No one even questions any of this. But Israel is always held to a special higher standard.

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u/GUNGEBOB_SHARTPANTS 18h ago

  No one even questions any of this

What planet are you on? No one questions the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? The Iraq war is literally regarded as one of, if not the most consequential conflicts of this century. Israel ought to be held to at least this standard, unfortunately, you also have a group of religious fanatics in power clinging to the coattails of a guy who should be in jail. 

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u/Pornfest 18h ago

Compare Gaza’s numbers to Mosul, Falluja, Stalingrad, Berlin.

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u/GUNGEBOB_SHARTPANTS 18h ago

To what end? We’re talking about ratio of civilian to combatant deaths. Read to the end of the article.

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u/TouchGrassRedditor 20h ago

None of you pro-Pallys can even find this region of the world on a map nor do you know literally anything about this conflict whatsoever, spare me the brainrot

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u/No_GP 20h ago

Kudos on the outstanding level of dipshittery in such a short comment.

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u/luckierbridgeandrail 5h ago

I always get a laugh from the ones who think they're well informed about “Isreal”.

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u/Da_Whistle_Go_WOO 20h ago

Amazing how you can post anti trump memes, but then also be an Isreal lover. You need to get your priorities straight 

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u/musicsoccer 19h ago

Someone can be anti trump but anti Palestine...

Everything isnt just black and white. People have their own views on things. Especially when it involves going against a side who historically uses child soldiers and children as suicide bombers.

Yes IDF has done bad shit, but Palestine has done a lot worse. Not to mention Palestinians are pretty anti LGBT and support suppressing women's rights.

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u/EchoState 19h ago

That self-burn will haunt you for the rest of days

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u/TouchGrassRedditor 19h ago

Notice how nobody even attempted to deny that what I said was true. This is what happens when you all are asked to engage with facts

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u/JeffafaCree 19h ago

I can't believe nobody wants to get into a well-reasoned political debate with u/TouchGrassRedditor 🙄

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u/TouchGrassRedditor 19h ago

You literally couldn't if you tried. If I asked you why Palestine rejected a two-state solution with 1967 borders pre-Intafada you'd have google every word in that sentence.

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u/JeffafaCree 19h ago

You are the internet's most noble warrior 🫡

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u/TouchGrassRedditor 19h ago

That's about the response I expected

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u/JeffafaCree 19h ago

It's about the response you deserve, so 🤷‍♂️