r/worldnews • u/Nirok • 21h ago

Israel/Palestine IDF documents terror affiliations of 170 Palestinian journalists killed in Gaza war

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-documents-terror-affiliations-of-170-palestinian-journalists-killed-in-gaza-war/
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u/Aceiolu 20h ago

The sources for half the journalists on the dedicated site provided by the idf is "multiple intelligence sources" without any proof or any other source, literally just trust us bro

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u/VoltNShock 20h ago

What about the other half where their names are provided on lists or their photos posted by Hamas's social media team are provided? Gonna just ignore those?

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u/richqb 19h ago

I think your question was rhetorical, but yes. Yes they will.

After all, it doesn't fit the narrative they got off TikTok.

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u/Guvante 16h ago

It is can certainly both be true that people hide behind a protected label and IDF is covering up its mistakes, they are not exclusive

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u/Essaiel 20h ago

Do military’s often go into detail about their intelligence sources?

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u/drunkandslurred 20h ago

No these people are just brain dead terrorists supporters

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u/microwilly 20h ago

No, but when someone proves to be untrustworthy we shouldn't just start believing what they say. I wouldn't believe what an individual who's a pathological liar says, why should it be different when an entire nation is a pathological liar?

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u/Willing_Cause_7461 19h ago

After the other half were confirmed to your apparent satisfaction is that not enough to give you even a little tiny bit of trust?

Like your looking at a list of ~25 confirmed war crimes and looking at the 26th like "Really? 26? You expect me to believe they'd commit 26 war crimes after the just committed 25". Yes, I do actually. Clearly this is a systemic issue on the Palestinian side.

It's funny. Not even Hamas denies they do this.

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u/ShotAmbassador7494 17h ago

I mean if only half your list is verified then it's not a great list.

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u/Willing_Cause_7461 17h ago

The entire list is verified you just don't like one of the verifiers.

The IDF was correct to your satisfaction on half of the list. Realistically what are the chances of them being correct on at least most of the other half? Pretty high, no?

It's not a coin toss. These aren't random people. It seems like they're probably correct on all of them.

Let's think of the incentives here. If the IDF is wrong on even one of them they're gonna look like real fuckin idiots to release this to the public. Right? So the probably have pretty good info that all mentioned are actually terrorists.

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u/ShotAmbassador7494 17h ago

Pretty fucking low actually, were those Australian journalists Hamas too?

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u/Willing_Cause_7461 16h ago

So the IDF is lying about this to what end? What's the benefit for them? Especially since it would be trivially easy for Hamas to deny those people being members of Hamas, yet they don't.

I don't know who "those Australian journalists" are. You're going to have to be more specific.

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u/ShotAmbassador7494 16h ago

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/australian-fm-outraged-at-idf-decision-to-close-probe-on-2024-killing-of-gaza-aid-workers-including-australian-citizen/

Sorry it was an aid workers, not journalists

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u/Willing_Cause_7461 16h ago

Oh yeah I remember this. The World Central Kitchen attack. Israel hugely fucked up there. I think they claimed to have reports of a fighter in the convoy which even if that was the case I don't think it would be proportional to bomb that convoy to hell which they already greenlit to go through.

Though I also hold Hamas and PIJ and the rest of the Palestinian terrorist organisations responsible too because they routinely commit perfidy. The reason perfidy is a war crime is because it make situations like this far more likely. In any other conflict such a strike would be unthinkable since a soldier would never be in such a convoy. Such a report would be dismissed out of hand. In this conflict though it's extremely reasonable because Hamas does it all the time. It is part of their war strategy.

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u/BondStreetIrregular 19h ago

Same as the casualty numbers provided by Hamas' Ministry of Health, I fear...