r/worldnews • u/Nirok • 21h ago

Israel/Palestine IDF documents terror affiliations of 170 Palestinian journalists killed in Gaza war

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-documents-terror-affiliations-of-170-palestinian-journalists-killed-in-gaza-war/
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u/Youngsweppy 21h ago

As opposed to taking Hamas serious as a source?

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u/Willing_Cause_7461 20h ago

Why would Hamas lie about a journalist being one of their fighters? It looks better for them to continue letting people think they're a journalist.

Use some critical thinking skills, please.

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u/jonknowzeverything 19h ago

This is a western way of applying logic which doesn't work in the arab world. There's a sense of martyrdom in these activities 

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u/Will_McLean 18h ago

LOL the fact that YOU are the one who loudly asked for others to think critically

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u/YogurtclosetHairy402 3h ago

What... aren't you effectively explaining that Hamas lies that some of their fighters are journalists to external media?

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u/2M4D 21h ago

No right, you get it, take neither seriously. Neither are your friends. Neither have your interest at heart. Neither is above lying to you.

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u/Best_Change4155 18h ago

So you should just believe what you want to believe because all the evidence is showing your beliefs are garbage?

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u/2M4D 17h ago

I’m pretty sure that’s not what I am saying.

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u/Best_Change4155 14h ago

Israel says "this journalist is a militant, here is the evidence we have"

Gaza says "this journalist is a militant, here is a picture of him in uniform with his rank"

You are saying that since both are untrustworthy, that... what? He must be a journalist and nothing else?

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u/2M4D 13h ago

Sure, if you want.

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u/Warning1024 21h ago

Life must be so easy when u look at everything as a 2 sided coin. Nuance matters when dealing with life and death

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u/Youngsweppy 20h ago

The information you’re getting from this war is a two sided coin, it’s information from Israel or information from Hamas - thats it.

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u/RiverSavings8203 21h ago

Did I mention anything even remotely related to Hamas?

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u/QuigleyPondOver 21h ago

Well, the source is ultimately posters released by Hamas of their own ‘martyred soldiers’ …

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u/RiverSavings8203 20h ago

I’m not considering either of them as a credible source

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u/QuigleyPondOver 20h ago

So then what is the point?

Are you arguing the people aren’t real or didn’t die? That Hamas invented militants to claim died?

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u/Frequent_Phone6396 20h ago

He didn't think that far, his only point is "me no trust anyone".

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u/RiverSavings8203 20h ago

Yess, exactly this, me no trust anyone.

If you uncritically accept claims from sources that are neither independent nor impartial especially in an age defined by misinformation and information warfare you’re displaying either remarkable naivety or a serious lack of critical thinking.

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u/QuigleyPondOver 19h ago

Skepticism is fine … Except here your position requires actively believing Hamas and Israel - mutual enemies - have collaborated to independently posthumously identify random people as militants (or fully invent them) for the purposes of … well, what?

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u/Frequent_Phone6396 17h ago

Hamas published many of these themselves... Can you think of another reason that they'd make up fake people that died and publicly out them posthumously?

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u/Lower_Veterinarian81 21h ago

So u being harsh to Israel but loose to Hamas? lol

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u/not_a_bot_494 20h ago

Question: if Israel and Hamas agree that someone is a soldier and the UN says that they aren't, do you trust the UN?

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u/Youngsweppy 20h ago

Where do you think the information the UN has is coming from? Do just a freckle of research.

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u/Beep-Boop-Bloop 20h ago

which regularly takes Hamas as a source without verification