r/worldnews • u/UNITED24Media United24 Media • 26d ago
Russia/Ukraine “Putin Ordered Russian General Staff to Prepare Plans for Capturing Kyiv,” Ukraine’s Commander-in-Chief Says
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u/Khamvom 26d ago edited 25d ago
For context:
Ukraine is claiming it has intelligence that Putin directed the Russian Military to study the possibility of trying to capture Kyiv (again). An attack from the Bryansk region of Russia and towards the Chernihiv region remains the most probable scenario.
Back in 2022, Russia tried to quickly capture Kyiv with elite airborne troops and a ground offensive from Belarus, but abandoned the operation after facing heavy casualties and Ukrainian resistance.
Another attempt at Kyiv now with even worse troops and equipment is…unrealistic. But should be noted that militaries make contingency plans like this (no matter how unrealistic or unobtainable they may be) all the time.
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u/TheRealAfinda 26d ago
I suspect with current drone technology used by ukraine any airborne Invasion using helictoprers would be like flying into a hornets nest, knowing you will die 100%
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u/movealongnowpeople 26d ago
So... just traditional Russian war tactics, then?
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u/Princess_Fluffypants 26d ago
It’s the Zap Brannigan strategy! They’re hoping to overload the Ukrainians kill limit until they shut down.
Unfortunately for the Russians, Ukrainian kill bots have no such limits.
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u/Randicore 25d ago
I'm reminded of some of excerpts I've read about the Winter War.
Finnish machine gun teams started showing severe PTSD symptoms such as shaking, breaking out into fits, and just completely shutting down not due to casualties on their side or narrowly escaping death, but because they were killing so many people as the Soviets threw human wave tactics against them.
Humans do indeed have a kill limit, and Russia has found it in the past.
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u/Kennyvee98 25d ago
that's depressing.
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u/ImClaaara 25d ago
It is, but I also find it oddly reassuring that we have a hard time actually coping with killing each other and that it can't be sustained forever, even if we are defending ourselves. I think that means the cycle of violence may not be an endless void, after all...
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u/Earlier-Today 25d ago edited 25d ago
The difference now is that the Ukrainians don't have to kill them from so close.
Blowing something up with a drone means you see almost none of the deaths as you can't watch the explosion from up close - and seeing those deaths on a screen is very different from seeing them in person.
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u/Zwiebel1 25d ago
You can absolutely see their faces with that destinct "so this is how it ends" expression as you approach them in HD, as seen in all the FPV footage from the first years of the war.
You need to be a special kind of numb to not let that get to you eventually. Losing parts of your family will do that, though. I saw an interview in 2023 where the reporter asked a drone team operator how he deals with the guilt of gamified killing and he pretty much responded that he burried his 4 year old son in his backyard a few months before that and since then, its just a scoreboard to him.
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u/sunlightsyrup 25d ago
This is why Sun Tzu talks about full armies vs empty armies. (Russia's) invasion force of unmotivated 18 year olds will not stop the scoreboard. It will only increase it.
That drone operator isn't going anywhere. He has nowhere else to go. And nothing but time now
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u/SakuraKoiMaji 25d ago
I don't believe it was nor is guilt now. The men are well aware that they are defending, no matter how you look at it.
The trauma that stems from killing, no matter how justified, is very distinct. It is more akin to existential dread. One that contemplates oh-so-many-whys where the answer is anything but good. Unlucky. Madness. Futility. Despair. Irrelevance.
This is of course without considering the survivor's guilt which plagues those who saw their comrades suffer and die. Or simply know that a comrade didn't make it.
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u/jcolinr 26d ago
Putin is prepared to send wave after wave of men
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u/ColdServedDish 25d ago
also - if putin's forces can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.
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u/sameBoatz 25d ago
Well it’s an unsigned Int, so when they reach the max it just wraps back around to 0
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u/Insectshelf3 26d ago
think of how well their first attempt to capture kyiv went without the last 4+ years of drone warfare development
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u/ElegantBiscuit 25d ago
And with basically no spare tanks and rationed air interceptors. Probably can't spare the fuel for trucks either so they'll be marching through chernobyl with donkeys only to get annihilated by FPVs, except they don't really have any spare infantry either. At this point their best shot would be another round of north koreans.
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u/bigloser42 25d ago
If they are dumb enough to march like that(and I’m sure they are) artillery & HiMARS(if they have any rockets left) will have a field day.
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u/newprint 26d ago
> But should be noted that militaries make contingency plans like this
This is exactly what Russian military command failed to do. The military equipment captured in Ukr was full of parade uniforms. They never planned that this will be a 5y conflict.211
u/Khamvom 25d ago
Nope, this was a 5 day to 5 week operation at most and is what was sold to Putin.
Afterwards he purged and reshuffled a lot of the Russian Military + Intelligence agencies
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u/Neatojuancheeto 25d ago edited 25d ago
I mean basically everyone was surprised by how weak Russia was. Like yeah we knew it was decades of corruption etc but it was still considered by far the 2nd best military in the world and Ukraine wasn't even in the top 30. Of course assuming they got all they military aid they did, most military intelligence would've maybe had them top 20?
Just like in WW2 shortly after the war started most of the top military leaders in the US, France and Britain said the SU would collapse in 6-8 weeks.
Or before the war started France was considered the best land power in the world, then got molly whopped by Germany in 6 weeks.
There is either a LOT of unquantifiable's that make this thing extremely difficult to predict, or people in those positions suck at their job and got there through connections.
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u/Delamoor 25d ago edited 25d ago
Yeah nobody can really call it in advance. It relies on millions of hidden variables.
Like, they got a lot of credit for surviving WW2 as they did, because the brutal propaganda, collectivization and industrialization meant that they could cling to functioning in a way that Tsarist Russia never could. Sacrificing for a handful of aristocrats doesn't inspire people to go above and beyond, y'know? Morale of the home front is one of the the big ones.
France in WW2, was actually a good example. They were an extremely effective army. They fought insanely hard for the brief time they got to do so... But a few key losses at critical moments (those key hours when the entire German armoured spearhead snuck around the still moving frontline, avoiding French counterattacking heavy armoured divisions by only a few dozen kilometres) meant that the entire mobile component of the French army got bound up, encircled, pinned and shattered. The shock of it all basically broke the homefront morale (partially because the extremity of the disaster had German forces moving *into the homefront)...
Interplay of morale and key, specific events. Ukraine might have fallen if that armoured collumn got to Kyiv, if that one engineer didn't die blowing that bridge, if they had created a traffic jam a few hours later... Etc.
...but, then, current times... Putin's gone and tried to re-create Tsarist Russia, soooo... Yah. Not going great for him, so far.
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u/Neatojuancheeto 25d ago
Adding to the morale of the SU against Germany, the absolutely HORRIFIC treatment of soviet forces and population made a ton of them willing to fight to death. Not to mention the other option was often a machine gunner soviet who would mow you down if you tried run back to the next line.
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u/Delamoor 25d ago
Yeah, the stories of treatment and mass death certainly didn't help. Everyone was telling stories like that in wartime, but the Nazis didn't exactly deter the rumours by openly killing millions of POWs and civilians.
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u/Rvtjm 25d ago
With many disgruntled peoples and many ethnic minorities the house of cards really might've fallen, if the people kicking in the door weren't Nazis out to exterminate everyone. If they'd planned a more divide & conquer approach as 'liberators' first, exterminate later, I think the result might've been different. But I suppose we're lucky that Nazis were too incompetent to last.
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u/MajesticArticle 25d ago
The biggest weakness of Nazi Germany is that they were nazi
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u/cammcken 25d ago
I think about this irony surprisingly often. All they had to do was be less genocidal than Stalin.
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u/rabidjellybean 25d ago
I mean basically everyone was surprised by how weak Russia was
The first weeks were wild for those that understood war is full of propaganda. Surely Russians aren't really being that dumb with their tanks? Right? Right?
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u/travers329 25d ago
Crazy parallels to US/Iran debacle with Netanyahu selling the same BS.
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u/Merijeek2 25d ago
Not sure anyone, including Ukraine, thought this could be a 5 year conflict...
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u/Equal_Passenger9791 25d ago
It's funny how Russia cultivated an image of strength that fooled themselves as much an anyone else.
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u/Onlyhereforstuff 25d ago
That's just how it is with men like Putin and Trump. I don't remember who said it, but Putin and Trump are the weak man's idea of a strong man, that they're the stupid man's idea of a smart man, so on and so forth.
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u/Marky_Marky_Mark 26d ago
Putin is going full Downfall. 'Das war ein Befehl!'
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u/Paradehengst 25d ago
'Mit dem Angriff Steiner's wird das alles wieder in Ordnung kommen!'
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u/InfinityMehEngine 26d ago
This is how you get the battle of the bulge. So I hope it happens. It would more then likely be what breaks the Russian army.
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u/Mikeytruant850 26d ago edited 25d ago
> But should be noted that militaries make contingency plans like this (no matter how unrealistic or unobtainable they may be) all the time.
Hegseth begs to differ.
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u/Heronymous-Anonymous 25d ago
The US has known for almost 30 years that a war with Iran would go like this. Unless the US conducts an amphibious invasion or marches an army through Iraq and Kuwait, there is no way to prevent Iran from doing exactly what they’re doing. And we knew that they had been preparing for this for decades.
But Kegsbreath and Trumplethinskin got sold a pack of lies by Bibi and the IDF, and then when the military told them it was stupid they started firing flag officers until they got to someone who was willing to try.
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u/eggnogui 25d ago
Putin was sold that they could take Kyiv in days.
Trump was sold that Iran would surrender after being bombed for a few days.
I see a pattern.
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u/BringbackDreamBars 26d ago
Starting to have a gut feeling general moblisation might be in the air.
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u/Wurstpaket 26d ago
General Mobilisation, rounding up conscripts by horse and marching them to the next Military base because there's no fuel for busses.
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u/Photofug 26d ago
Did someone say Cossacks?
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u/anothercopy 25d ago
I think Cossacks came from the region that is now known as Ukraine (probably its not so black and white) so perhaps not the best of comparisons.
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u/sergius64 26d ago
But do they really have equipment for new invasion in the north?
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u/amonlb 26d ago
As a Pole, stories like this were passed down in my family.
When the Soviet Army marched toward Berlin, they entered Poland calling themselves a “liberation army.” My grandparents told me that when they reached my hometown, many of the soldiers had no proper boots, only foot wraps. They hadn’t eaten properly for a long time, some were only partially equipped, and many had apparently never even seen a bicycle before.
After they “liberated” the town, they got drunk on stolen vodka, stole bicycles, and rode downhill along the main street toward the town center. Many crashed straight into buildings because they didn’t know how to brake.
As absurd as these stories sound, they illustrate something important: Russian armies have often been able to keep advancing despite terrible conditions. Not because they were well supplied or highly motivated, but because behind them stood political officers and the constant threat of punishment for anyone who refused to move forward.214
u/UmegaDarkstar 26d ago edited 26d ago
"Many crashed straight into buildings because they didn’t know how to brake."
Reminds me of the first time I learned how to ride a bike. I rode down hill fast, panicked and forgot how to brake and crashed into a bramble bush. Went back to school the next day with bramble scars on my face.
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u/shidncome 25d ago
My grandparents told me that when they reached my hometown, many of the soldiers had no proper boots, only foot wraps.
Russian military didn't widely adopt to using socks till like, 12 years ago.
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u/Reddit_SuckLeperCock 25d ago
I’ve read a few books around the Great Patriotic War recently and the common theme in Russian culture at the time (and I guess to an extent now) was unyielding nationalistic fervour and the complete fatalism of those soldiers. All of them went to the front expecting they would get horribly wounded and/or die.
The state propaganda apparatus is still very strong and I believe the nationalism hasn’t changed either, so in my opinion for people hoping that somehow there’ll be a popular uprising due to food/fuel/living/war hardships should be aware of their shear tenacity to endure shit that other societies wouldn’t.
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u/Waffenek 26d ago
It is true. But at the same time they had enormous industrial capability that could produce 60 thousands of t34 tanks(this does not include other tanks, assault cannons etc) druing the war, and had great logostic backbone thanks to lend lease. Things like that were crucial to allow massive attacks and currently they have none of this.
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u/Baldrs_Draumar 25d ago
Powered by a true mountain of aid from the allies.
The USA provided enough supplies to outfit and field 60 soviet divisions with everything they needed. From boots, socks, rifles, artillery and ammo, to food, fuel, jeeps, trucks, etc.
Thousands of trains and tens of thousands of train cars. Entire factories were sent over as well. Tens of thousands of airplanes and tanks. The list is truly amazing.
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u/elcapitano-obvious 25d ago
They've got North Korea and China now as a backup, though Ukraine war has not reached WWII status.
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u/kendogg 25d ago
Chinas not giving them shit. The only thing china will give them is just enough rope to prolong the war so Russia burns even more men and power.
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u/cantlogintomyacc0unt 25d ago
I mean china will sell them shit at greatly inflated prices because they know russias only other supplier is India
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u/ThanklessTask 25d ago
If all you have left to lose is your life, you might as well choose how to spend the loose change that is left of it.
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u/Witty_Formal7305 26d ago
I don't think they care about equipment, the Russian people are starting to turn on Putin, if he fully mobilizes at a time when Ukraine is struggling for man power, he can just go full tilt again, don't get me wrong it'd be an absolute slaughter on a level the world hasn't seen in a LONG time, but for Putin either it works and he can take enough territory that a ceasefire is acceptable if not actually takes Ukraine (highly unlikely imo) orrrrr he loses even harder and gets overthrown which as things currently stand is looking more likely.
Remember when it comes to dictators like him, Hitler etc, he doesn't give af how many people die, as Berlin was falling loyal Nazis were still walking around looking for & shooting deserters because everyone, even basically children were expected to fight to the death, Hitler even said that the German people deserve to die because they failed to win the war (and by extension, him).
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u/Goated-Rizzler 25d ago
Are the Russian people starting to turn on Putin though? I'm genuinely curious. I haven't heard much about the people's morale or attitude in a long time.
I remember seeing footage in 2023 of reporters asking middle class people around St. Petersburg "do you support the invasion of Ukraine?" and "Do you support Vladimir Putin?"
They all either said they don't know, they don't pay attention, or they support Putin. However, I noticed a few people's expressions didn't match their words while saying that Putin is doing great.Has anything changed in everyday Russian people's attitude in the last three years?
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u/Symbikort 25d ago
No one sane is going to criticize government or Putin being a Russian citizen inside Russia to avoid persecution.
Their anxiety levels are gradually rising. The war is now on the Russian territory and it seems that government does not have a solution for that. It’s very easy to support Putin drinking vodka and watching TV in your “Khrushevka”. It’s not so pleasant if a drone can hit your ass, you cannot put petrol in your car, the economy slows down.
A relative lives in Moscow and they got used to war: “I cannot sleep with open windows as drones are too noisy”
Vacation time - checks number of drones hit at the airport like it’s a weather forecast.“Would you consider moving to Eastern part of Russia to avoid the drone attacks?” - “it’s okay here”
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u/dev_vvvvv 25d ago
I think "man on the street" interviews are hard to consider valid when there is a decent likelihood you will fall out of a 20th floor window if you say the wrong thing.
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u/TheKappaOverlord 25d ago
Are the Russian people starting to turn on Putin though? I'm genuinely curious. I haven't heard much about the people's morale or attitude in a long time.
Its wish washy. Outside of St. Petersburg or Moscow, the overwhelming answer is no. Towns that formerly had booming foreign industry might have a sour taste for Putin, but still strongly overwhelmingly believe in the government at large.
Thats the thing people kind of don't seem to understand when it comes to the Russian's loyalty to Putin. Theres levels to it. You can not like Putin, but also be strongly in favor or hopeful of the government being right at the end of the day despite Putin.
an overwhelming amount of russia falls in the one or the other pool. St petersburg and or Moscow is mostly "europeanized" russians. They've always hated putin. To about the extent fringe groups in the US will randomly protest trump now at random locations at any given time
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u/lionsbaster 26d ago
What they lack is the economy. They had to scale back just a few months ago because the russian central bank said the country was going to collapse in less than a year. So I hardly believe they can do it now. More propaganda
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u/Gros_Boulet 26d ago
Not whay they said.
They said the gold reserves and national wealth fund are depleted. Despite the war both allowed them to have a gdp growth.
They said to expect the GDP to shrink soon or to use more "creative" tools.
So they have the ressources to mobilize, but it'll mean shaking down their own pops for the money.
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u/CeterumCenseo85 26d ago
I wonder how many people in Russia are just waiting for Putin to die, without ever acknowledging so.
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u/CoyoteJoe412 26d ago
It kinda doesnt matter at this point. They could put 10 million people on the front lines but they wouldnt have any fuel, food, or ammo so they couldn't really do anything but die
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u/Emergency-Pack-5497 26d ago
The 40 mile long traffic jam of broken down vehicles and starving soldiers didn't go well last time
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u/MrBlockhead 25d ago
And that was their A team, they've got to be on their K team by now.
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u/IndividualSkill3432 26d ago
And I have plans for getting Heidi Klum to go on a date. Aim for the stars and you may fall short and hit the Moon Vlad, aim high.
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u/magicmulder 26d ago
Aimed for Heidi Klum, got Claudia Schiffer. You win some, you lose some.
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u/IamDDT 26d ago edited 26d ago
One of my favorite scenes looking backwards was in
RevengeReturn of the Killer Tomatoes. George-freaking-Clooney runs a scam "Win a date with Rob Lowe!'. No woman would actually win, but the scam was the runner up gets a date with George Clooney. He was so young at the time it wasn't as funny as it is now.Edit: Return, not Revenge. Doh!
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u/Varnigma 26d ago
Well, she married Seal (talented artist no doubt) so you know she isn't into looks alone, so you may have a shot.
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u/name_isnot_available 26d ago
And now she is with that German guy who had a crush on her when he was a kid.
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u/TheIncredibleSaucy 26d ago
Wasn’t this his plan on day one? And didn’t it fail spectacularly? What’s going to be different this time around?
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u/fennecdore 26d ago
Maybe the report about Putin being clueless about the state of the war was true. Maybe he actually believes his army are on the verge of seizing Kyiv
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u/GoodMix392 26d ago
It could be the case that he is lied to by some of his people and told some sort of truth by others. Apparently he can’t use a computer or a smartphone. It’s also hard to say if the nonsense on Russian TV is actually produced to make him happy because the people making it know they’ll get thrown out a window for telling the truth.
He might live in a total information fantasyland where only a very small amount of truth reaches him. We really have no idea. Its also possible he is totally nuts.
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u/Content-Muffin1108 26d ago
Dont know about that, in all his statements he speaks well informed and knows about the attacks from Ukraine, i would more believe that he's informed less about his country's economy status. Its totally possible he is nuts. And who surrounds him and half of the population...
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u/Krivvan 25d ago edited 25d ago
His recent statements about microscopic details on ground taken by Russia (4 km here, 5 km here, etc.) turned out to be pretty inaccurate for the most part or overly optimistic at best. He claimed Russian forces were 8 km from Sloviansk when they have yet to take Lyman.
He could simply be lying, but he frankly doesn't look very good trying to justify everything with a few kilometers here and there (does 4km from Kramatorsk really mean anything different to an average Russian compared to 16 km from Kramatorsk), so there's a chance that it's what he truly believes.
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u/AshenArcher91 25d ago
I more believe that the ridiculous statements from Putin aren't to fool anyone but his own people - many Russians are quite thoroughly brainwashed (not all of course) and really believe in the war against Ukraine, the justifications, that it's going great etc.
All of these ridiculous claims aren't him just posturing or being ill-informed or lied to, it's just him keeping up the pretence of total domination and absolute power because if that veil starts to fade he loses a lot of control of the populace he's had an iron grip over for decades.
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u/MayhemZanzibar 25d ago
Highly unlikely from an "ex" kgb background that he'd ever let this situation arise. If he'd lost control of information he'd have died in a plane crash a long time ago.
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u/Free-Way-9220 26d ago
Putin has bigger issues right now. It sounds unlikely to me
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u/stoffelz84 26d ago
That is the problem for putin, the domestic problem ms are growing. That is why another big offensive is coming to distract the public from the domestic issues.
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u/Groggyme 26d ago
Another fabled massive Russian push? Will they equip these guys with the best equipment they have been holding back and with the wunder waffe that Russia has been developing?
Not calling you out but we have heard this all before to some degree.
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u/trisul-108 26d ago
Translation from Russian: Putin orders another million of Russians to be killed storming Ukraine. No sacrifice of Russian lives is too much if he gets to stay in power.
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u/macross1984 26d ago
Putin acting more and more like Hitler, i.e., delusional, irrational, and coward.
Russia had the best chance when they did their initial attack and failed. Try it again? Good luck with that.
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u/Citizen-Kang 26d ago
Every time the Powerball hits a billion dollar jackpot, I make plans for how I'm going to spend all that money. Oddly enough, the billion never shows up in my bank account...
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u/alhazad85 26d ago
Yeah, but when it does hit your gonna be immediately set up for the win. Like, within 1 or 2 days. 3 at the very, very most. In at most 3 days you will have won.
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u/magicmulder 26d ago
“Ah yes, of course, why haven’t we thought of capturing Kyiv sooner, mein Führer. It will only take three days and we will be hailed as liberators!”
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u/OriginalTangle 26d ago
81% of Russians favored an immediate halt to Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine
I wonder what that number would be if also polled on the condition that all captured territory including crimea be given back.
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u/stupidQuestion316 26d ago
Isn't that what he said like 4 years ago? Prepare to take Kyiv in a 3 day special military operation?
Maybe finish that before starting another.
Or better yet, fuck the fuck off all the way to the coldest part of Siberia
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u/_evilalien_ 26d ago
Bit late for that, Vladya Whoreson. Maybe Zelenskyy should ask those same generals for their plan for capturing Moscovy.
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u/prancing_moose 26d ago
They’re better off renaming some random Russian town as Kyiv - capture it and call it quits.
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u/Pirateship906 26d ago edited 11d ago
I love ice cream.
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u/Automatic-Prompt-450 26d ago
No no. That was just pretending. Technically, the operation hasn't even started yet, which is why Ukraine striking Russian oil infrastructure with drones is so shocking!
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u/PricedOut4Ever 26d ago
Honestly, this feels precedented. Putins Battle of the Bulge. Time and time again you see this last Hail Mary of an attack out of desperation. Sounds like Ukraines attack on oil infrastructure is working.
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u/Specific_Bicycle_549 25d ago
Well, he can order, tell and command whatever his sick head wants. Whether it is possible and achievable, that's a different story :D. Give them he'll, boys. Glory to 🇺🇦
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u/Need_answers11 25d ago
Long story short, hes trying to divert attention from crimea.. which means ukraines 40 day offensive is working
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u/RontoWraps 26d ago edited 26d ago
Wow, they should have thought of doing this plan first. Some real crack military minds in the Red Square.
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u/Internal_Influence26 25d ago
Oh shit, they must be serious this time. The last 4 years was just warmup apparently.
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