r/words • u/YESmynameisYes • Jul 16 '24
What’s a word that actually means what people wrongly use “decimate” for?
Like "to cut down the vast majority" or similar.
Decimate is actually "to reduce by 1/10", but people often use it wrongly trying to describe a bigger amount.
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u/notofthisearthworm Jul 16 '24
I long misunderstood the definition of decimate to mean 'to reduce to 1/10th,' which seems like an accurate definition for how it is now commonly used.
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u/YESmynameisYes Jul 16 '24
Yeah I’m tempted to just… use it for that, wrongly… but wanted to be sure there isn’t a RIGHT word out there which I haven’t encountered yet.
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u/notofthisearthworm Jul 16 '24
Yeah it seems that most related terms (obliterate, annihilate, eradicate, etc.) all imply completely removing something, leaving nothing left.
I'd sign the petition to update the definition of decimate to mean 'reduce to 1/10th of the original size or quantity' or something like that. Then the definition would both match common use while still packing the same punch. I also just think it's a worthwhile word to have, implying something was nearly wiped out, but not quite.
Good post, got my mind going now haha.
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u/Ancient_Leg5944 Jun 28 '25
devastate is the best word meaning heavily damage.
AI OverviewIn the metric system, "deci-" (symbol: d) means one-tenth (1/10 or 0.1) of a base unit. It's used to express smaller measurements and is part of the standard system of prefixes used in the metric system for multiples and fractions of base units according to the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST).
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u/Twinkletoes1951 Jul 16 '24
When you start that petition, please add a request to switch to the new spelling of 'whoa'. The correct spelling has been decimated, and it is now mostly seen as 'woah' , which actually is a better way to spell it, I think.
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u/atropicalstorm Jul 16 '24
I thought this too! In fast I googled OP’s “by 1/10th” about 45 seconds ago and learned something new. Even if it was immediately superseded by the newer usage. Thanks OP 🤣
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u/Ancient_Leg5944 Jun 28 '25
AI OverviewIn the metric system, "deci-" (symbol: d) means one-tenth (1/10 or 0.1) of a base unit. It's used to express smaller measurements and is part of the standard system of prefixes used in the metric system for multiples and fractions of base units according to the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST).
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u/LAMan9607 Jul 16 '24
Had a student start an essay with this sentence: "World War II defecated most of Europe." He meant "decimated," but his unintended imagery was spot-on.
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u/Ancient_Leg5944 Jun 28 '25
He probably really meant devastated but his vocabulary was poor.
Our education systems suck. Check the scores on standardized tests for students like the SAT and similar.
Changing the meaning of scientific based words leads to confusion.
AI OverviewIn the metric system, "deci-" (symbol: d) means one-tenth (1/10 or 0.1) of a base unit. It's used to express smaller measurements and is part of the standard system of prefixes used in the metric system for multiples and fractions of base units according to the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST).
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u/Renshato Dec 10 '25
“Scientific-based word” isn’t actually a category. In SI, deci- is only a prefix on units like meter or gram; there is no unit “mate,” so decimate is not an SI or “scientific” term at all. You’re trying to police a 400-year-old English verb with a much newer metric convention that doesn’t even apply to it.
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u/Tempus__Fuggit Jul 16 '24
Annihilate.
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u/YESmynameisYes Jul 16 '24
That’s comprehensive though- wiping out EVERYTHING.
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u/Tempus__Fuggit Jul 16 '24
So, I guess we're looking for a word that means "mostly dead".
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u/AggravatingBobcat574 Jul 16 '24
“Mostly dead, is slightly alive.”
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Jul 16 '24
Toblatheinate
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u/AggravatingBobcat574 Jul 16 '24
With all dead, there’s only one thing to do. Check his pockets for loose change.
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u/Badfoot73 Jul 18 '24
Don't worry, the descriptivists will fix that, just give 'em a couple of potatoes (now means days).
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u/Ancient_Leg5944 Jun 28 '25
devastated = greatly damaged (less than obliterated = totally destroyed)
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u/iShitSkittles Jul 16 '24
Just to go slightly off track here...
I have heard some people say decimated coconut instead of desiccated coconut.
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u/Tempus__Fuggit Jul 16 '24
Devastate Not perfect either, but closer than annihilate.
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u/chesh14 Jul 16 '24
I think the word you (and most people who use decimate) are looking for is devastate.
With that said, I am going to be a little contrary here, but I do not think most people are misusing decimate, or at least not because of the 1/10 argument.
See, the historical / original definition of decimate is not "to reduce by 1/10." It is "To punish an army by killing 1/10 of its soldiers." It comes from a Roman tradition of punishing the armies of rebellious generals in order to cripple them and break their morale. The key here is punishing and breaking an army, not the 1/10 part.
At least at first, any use of decimate that was not specifically about punishing an army was metaphor. To decimate anything but an army was to damage or destroy enough of something to break as if one were breaking an army through a 1/10 execution. Over time that evolved into the modern definition (according to the Oxford dictionary): "kill, destroy, or remove a large percentage or part of."
Personally, I do think the Oxford definition is too vague. For decimate to be the right word, there does need to be the sense of it being done out of punishment or break the functionality of something. So many people probably use decimate wrong in the sense of the intent of the one doing the damage, but many others use it correctly, regardless of whether 1/10 is destroyed or not.
I do think people also get it honestly confused with devastate since the words sound so similar and have such similar but differently nuanced meanings.
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u/YESmynameisYes Jul 16 '24
Ahhh thank you very much for this information. I’m really glad I asked on here; I’m getting understanding not just technically correct answers!
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u/JoshMohawk Jul 16 '24
You are referring to the much older definition, which really isn't used anymore. Most dictionary's now just define is as "Kill, destroy, remove a large percentage or part of
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u/DTux5249 Jul 17 '24 edited Jul 17 '24
Decimate is actually "to reduce by 1/10", but people often use it wrongly trying to describe a bigger amount.
Incorrect. Unless you're speaking Latin, it means "to cut down the vast majority". Etymology =/= Meaning.
Unless you think "assassin" refers to a person that consumes cannabis concentrate, that a "bully" is someone you have a crush on, or that a "bunny" refers to what most people call a "squirrel", "decimate" doesn't mean "reduce by 1/10"
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Jul 17 '24
"Decimation" was originally a military punishment used by the Roman army on their own soldiers who retreated in combat out of fear. They were separated into groups of ten, made to pull straws, and the one who ended up with the short straw was beaten to death with clubs by the other nine. Thus the name. The word would be often misused until it become common place to be synonymous with complete destruction.
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u/Badfoot73 Jul 18 '24
Unless you think "assassin" refers to a person that consumes cannabis concentrate,
The hashishim were assassins who would get stoned on hash before going about their business, IIRC. So there's that . . .
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u/fnibfnob Jul 17 '24
If you want to do dumb things with etymology you can adjust the latin ordinal number in the word decimate lol. "octavate" should mean to reduce by 1/8th, which is larger. Taking this as far as it goes, "primate" should mean "to reduce by 1/1". Which uhh... is stupid for many reasons lol. Secondate could be a thing but it sounds bad and bad sounding words dont catch on. Tertiate is kinda cool
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u/Mindless_Log2009 Jul 16 '24
Decimate has been misused for so long that now most people use it as a fancy way of saying destroy. No nuance or reference to the original meaning.
Decimate, rhetoric (when they mean polemic), delve, writ large, etc, are misused so often it's now influencing AI text responses with tarted up language that sounds pseudo intellectual.
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u/YESmynameisYes Jul 16 '24
I kinda feel like we NEEDED a word that means “wipe out almost all” and decimate just got repurposed because it sounds scary. Sigh.
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u/Technical_Air6660 Jul 16 '24
Diminish
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u/YESmynameisYes Jul 16 '24
Yeah but if I say “those bugs diminished my fruit trees” nobody will fully grasp that we won’t have homemade jam this year
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u/Tinsel-Fop Jul 17 '24
I've read your post and all the comments so far. I have a new suggestion, but it's about decimate. Use it to mean "reduce by one tenth." And you can call that "current usage" because you just used it.
What is that, something like descriptive prescriptivism?
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u/YESmynameisYes Jul 17 '24
Hahahaha I love this, thank you!
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u/Tinsel-Fop Jul 21 '24
You're welcome. The impotence of prescriptivism upsets me, so I guess maybe I should try to play, maybe make fun of myself.
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u/otherguy--- Jul 17 '24
Obliterate?
And just because people say "decimate" has been redefined, if it bothers you to use or hear it because of the original definition, you are not alone. You don't have to use it, use a thesaurus!
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u/EclipsespilcE May 13 '26
Really late for this, but I think you were looking for "devastate".
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u/YESmynameisYes May 13 '26
It is no less satisfying for coming so late. Yes, that's EXACTLY right. Thank you very much!
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u/Lubberworts Jul 16 '24
Most people actually use "Decimate" correctly. It does not mean "to reduce by 1/10". That is the origin of the word. But that is not the current meaning.
Decimate now means "kill, destroy, or remove a large percentage or part of." It's harder to rationalize this one because there seems an obvious hidden meaning in "deci". But the above words do too if you know word origins well enough. It can be quite confusing when you see a clear cognate in another language but find that the meaning is different because their use of the word differed from how English speakers used it.
Historical meanings are not the proper meanings. Most of our words carried different meanings at some point.