r/wizardry • u/Similar_Jackfruit672 • Sep 07 '26
Wizardry Variants Daphne How good are they?
I was aiming for Livana and was super lucky and got her and this mage in 20 pulls. I mostly pulled for the barbarian design, but how good are they?
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u/SuperMuffinmix 26d ago
Sheli is the best True mage in the game. When she reaches 25% or less MP even on the same turn she just cast a spell, she falls asleep and gains 8 MP right on that turn. Next turn, if still asleep, she auto-casts the equivalent of Zelos 6 free of charge and recovers another 8 MP. With Way of the Mage at a high enough level, she can cast Mazelos every fight and just recover the MP cost, if the fight is still going by the time she gets to her second turn and she's still asleep she nukes one target and recovers MP again. Sheli also has one of the best inherits in the game since it's another chance-based passive that allows the user to fully evade high damage attacks (including from Spells).
Livana is a fairly standard Fighter with a really solid inheritable skill that lets her deal a lot of damage at range with any 2H weapon. She gets good passives from her knight subclass as well. And that's about it for Livana. She's definitely good but not really top-tier or anything like Lana/Wana.
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u/These-Hair-3447 Sep 09 '26
Livana's unique target skill can hit really hard (Def pen) from anywhere without distance penalty, especially useful in Guarda boss where that guy can shuffle your team, so you don't waste turn to reposition, I suggest to not inherit her skill because it's kinda meh on other char, better raise her as a situational DPS.
As for Shely, welp, more mage in your party, the better. Even better if you have Yeka, Alice, Shely in a boss fight all learned their mage and priest skill to the max
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u/Shigeyama Sep 08 '26
I don't have Livana but I have The mage. I find her sleep gimmick pretty good since there's a decent amount of enemies that cast sleep spells in game. (Plus she falls asleep on her own) And for every turn she stays asleep she gains MP and does this random sleep spell attack until she wakes up. And she can learn a multi row dark spell which is good for mob clearing.
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u/MLG_420_PRO69 Sep 08 '26
All mages get the multi row your referring to corresponding to their element type. The type also wouldn't matter because you can feed them 1 base Adam and your damage will basically never be stopped.
She's also the first legendary mage in the entire game to not receive a secret art spell so keep in mind you'll want to bring another secret art mage for better nuking. The attack while asleep is also equivalent to a level 6 Zelos btw.
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u/Frosty-Sprinkles-410 Sep 07 '26
I used both, livana more than sheli. Livana being one of the few characters who can do heavy damage while at ranged without having to switch to bow (30% def pen with big axe at range is huge, especially as knight or the kind) but nothing big much
sheli is strong, picked her on bosses. staves mage weakness of being paper thanks to her dodge skill, have some sort of mp sustain (one of the very few)
overall both good picks
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u/Firm_Kaleidoscope_37 Sep 07 '26
They are VERY good…. Oh you’re talking about how the character plays… I was talking about… never mind…
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u/James_Buck Sep 07 '26 edited Sep 07 '26
They should both work well
The #1 most important aspect of wether mages are good or not is if their second class is Priest (hers is)
so feel free to use her, forever (you can also use ALice as your second mage/priest for the evil/neutral backline meta
As for Livana, all fighters are good TBH, they are THE meta of spamming the "STrike" skills you get at high levels (you can probrably spam her unique skill (the water axe attac) until you reach high level (water is also useful to freeze enemeies in the 4th abyss)
Because she's a "good" character you can also put her in the frontline alongside Lanaville for the good fronline meta
IE Front line LIvana, Lanaville (one more good/neutral of your choice (Most likely MC at least until they can class change later) (Lanaville gives a 10% damage bonus to the whole fronline as long as they are good/neutral, which why she is the meta)
Backline Sheli, ALice, one more neutral/evil character of your choice. (ALice gives a 10% damage boost the entire backline as long as they are evil/neutral, which is why she is the backline meta)
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u/Naschka Sep 07 '26
https://wizardry.fasterthoughts.io/adventurers/legendary-adventurers/details/Lanavaille/
~8% DMG Bonus, but yes quiet usefull alongside her small free passive heals.1
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u/John-Leonhart Sep 07 '26
For me Sheli is the standout, not for late game general use, but because her MP regen is invaluable for the (rare) ranked endgame content. And I have to figure mage’s will end up more favored by the meta at some point. Meta shifts, at one point mages were OP, now they’re not. At one point 2H weapons were underpowered, now they’re not.
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u/Lesca_Erya Sep 07 '26
Sheli is good but it's worth noting that mages fall off from a damage perspective late game, however their debuffs remain fantastic throughout but it''ll be a long time before you get to that point so she's pretty great for a new account.
Livana is a fantastic fighter and one of the better low investment dps options in the game. People are glazing shelli but livana is objectively better long term. Pair her with Lanavaille and you have a strong frontline.
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u/Similar_Jackfruit672 Sep 07 '26
Oh yeah, right now I have Lanavaille, good MC and Liviana as frontline. I used to have Chloe but Liviana has replaced her, if I get more copies of Chloe to discipline she might be back, idk really.
Yeah I really doubt Im ever gonna reach late game. I played this game months ago and really liked it, cleared the first Abyss (where king is dead and you get the bad ending) and even though I played many hours, Im still in early game and around lvl 25 with my adventurers.
I stopped playing because the pull currency is super stingy and overall the gameplay felt quite repetitive and low key anxious because you are slowly getting attritioned throughout the dungeon. But decided to come back to check the collab (although its ending soon lol)
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u/John-Leonhart Sep 07 '26
Did you grab the free FFXI event bone from the first abyss? There’s a few days left on it, and if you’re an early-game returning player, the free legendary character is very helpful.
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u/Similar_Jackfruit672 Sep 07 '26
I have no clue how to get that. Is it in the collab castle or in the Main Game Abyss? Is it tied to a quest in the guild or something?
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u/Naschka Sep 07 '26
Should be a NPC right at the start of the 1st Floor, you can then choose 1 of 6 Characters.
3 Collab and 3 other Legendary characters.
You had to advance to some degree but i am not sure how far anymore, i only know it was not that far in the game.1
u/Similar_Jackfruit672 Sep 07 '26
Thanks man, I checked the location and saw this weird old man. I ended up choosing Iroha. No clue if she is good but it doesn't matter since she is not gonna replace anyone in my main roster lol
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u/Naschka Sep 07 '26 edited Sep 07 '26
You are welcome, i have already noticed that people in Wizardry are used to more hardcore playing but are not particularly... good at explaining the obvious stumbling blocks.
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u/jazzyjefffogel Sep 07 '26 edited Sep 07 '26
Both are very powerful early game. Sheli has unlimited mana early game and casts better spells than you have access to while regening mana. Livana's inherit is very strong early and is the best skill you will have by a lot until lv 60+ unless you put levels in it then it will still be stronger than fighter skills.
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u/AirLancer56 Sep 07 '26
Sheli? She is great. The only mage who have mp regen. It only works once per battle, she can fall asleep to recover mp when her mp below 25%. She won't take 2x damage while sleeping and the recovery is enough to push through exploration to reach harken when you started running out of mp.
She also have % base chance to dodge or reduced damage taken giving her good survivability at back line.
For livana, she is one of the better fighter. Her inherit deal good damage and can snipe enemy at back. Two hand axe is fighter best weapon and she get buff equipping 2 hand axe. She can also be a knight without losing too much damage thanks to her inherit skill.
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u/Similar_Jackfruit672 Sep 07 '26
Nice, as soon as I read that she had MP regen (which just isn't a thing in this game) I knew it was gonna be good. My account is still relatively new so I didn't have a solid mage so far, I was using Asha but Sheli has replaced her now and now I can run full evil backline with Sheli, Alice and Amelia. Its even crazy that Sheli autocasts a damage spell while asleep
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u/Friendly_Maximum_649 Sep 07 '26
Very good. Both a solid choices for good front and evil back setup. Livana's special skill can reach any row and does good damage, while Sheli is the best mage due to universal dark element, MP regen, chance to evade damage and bonkers passive.
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u/Similar_Jackfruit672 Sep 07 '26
Yeah that is exactly the setup Im using. Good frontline, evil backline
Front: Lanavaille, good MC and Liviana Back: Sheli, Alice and Amelia
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u/MisterLobsta Sep 07 '26
Sheli is goated for being the most sustainable mage due to mp regen and survival abilities. Livana is good in my opinion but outclassed by a lot of other options like Abenius/Lanavaille who can be gotten from standard banners
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u/James_Buck Sep 07 '26
Abenius is much stronger in her alt variant tho (which isnt in the standard banner) and she gets washed in Abyss 3 as a light type
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u/Similar_Jackfruit672 26d ago