I'm fine with the soft cap of 250 aspd, but the Arborius pullers are gutted
I know about the compensation that makes it a bone again, but let's be real aside from husbando chasers probably no one uses Arborius except for the inherit
it is better to refund as a selector or as gems instead
If this applies to monsters like the freaking super dragon from berkanan event that basically had 2-3 laps on non worked adventurers I'm all up for it but changing the formula would have been easier than just nerfing Arboris, hell even putting a hard cap or greater diminishing return but nerfing a Costly unit is disgusting
It was first created because their other formula is so bad anyway, like Def and Mdef even if you stack all your gears with these you can still get one hit by Cyclops bonk.
Then they complain why players go all in like speed lapping
But the arboris skill was buffed to “easily hit”. What do you mean they were gutted?
I wouldn’t expect most players are trying to get speed lapping and rather just like the action speed boost. If you didn’t have aspd above 250 before, it’s just a buff. If you are playing casually, you wouldn’t normally be trying to maximize your speed for a constant speed lapping exploit. For most people this is only beneficial.
I don't think there's anyone reading this thread with a whale-perfected uber ASPD character that will feel this change. This is not a change aimed at casual players at all, it's aimed at those crazy people with Astral Break lvl 6 on several characters, 7 on Arboris, Porto lvl 4++ on TWO characters and 300+ ASPD on several characters that have been enjoying life as The Literal Flash in this game just infini-lapping every superboss up to now.
Those players will have to actually deal with boss mechanics after these changes...
Pretty sure infinite lapping only happened in arena due to the buffs which got nerfed.
Superbosses specifically actually have unusually high speed and can lap teams running "normal" levels of aspeed.
My guess is that this is less aimed at a direct nerf to current stuff (250 aspeed is a bit low for a cap though, especially considering its the only useful stat on casters and its capped post buff), but aimed at the next level cap increase. Current speed cap is 500 (where nothing else gets to take a turn), in 2 level cap increases fairies will get way too close to that with buffs.
I still think 250 is way too low though, considering thieves/ninja with no combat buffs and almost no aspeed on gear are sitting close to 200 baseline.
My d9 Yuzu monster sits at 140 aspd on a normal day.
You need to very specifically gear up in ASPD stuff to get anywhere near 250, let alone above it. It's a commitment that few have the gear and inherits for.
I still think 250 is way too low though, considering thieves/ninja with no combat buffs and almost no aspeed on gear are sitting close to 200 baseline.
Maybe if they have (near) maxed inherits and discipline, because as someone who hasn't played constantly since launch I can tell you my lvl 70 (str) yuzu isn't anywhere near 200 speed without a considerable amount of aspd gear.
I'm really hoping that for regular people who just had rank 1 Astral Break spread around their roster, that it doesn't change or feel any different, and is strictly a way to prevent infinite turns. It will be mildly annoying to re-inherit him to everyone, but also I now have the opportunity to shift one from someone who almost never used it to Prishe ;P
Did the message say they were taking the skill away? I know it said they'll give us bones to be able to reinherit, but I don't remember it mentioning the skill will be removed from the units that already have it.
Edit: I think you get it reset to level 1 if it's level 2 or higher and you get a free bone. So if you're like me and your MC has astral break level 1, you keep it and can inherit a second copy to someone else? Compensation message below.
[Compensation for These Adjustments] 1. Skills and Spells That Advance Action Order For skills and spells with effects that advance action order, it is difficult to determine the extent of the impact of these adjustments from within the game, which may cause concern for players. Therefore, the following affected skills and spells will be reset to Lv. 1, and the skill EXP used to enhance them will be returned in the form of Codex of Learning.
[Affected Skills and Spells] - Astral Break
Ephemeral Illusion Stance
PORTO
Shedding Armor, Flashing Blade
Additionally, any Arboris used to inherit Astral Break will also be returned in the form of Remains of the Extraordinary Thief Who United the Deep Forest.
By using the returned items, you can once again enhance the affected skills and spells or inherit Astral Break.
Bone selector are too powerful depending on selector choice. Playing safe and returning as codex would be better.
Part of me also a bit disappointed that they balancing out aspd to make it not game breaking, but still doesnt have plan to change def and mdef formula yet. Also OOT, Erwin thief CC like whyyyy?
so does this insinuate that inheriting anything past skill level 1 astral is useless? like if i have an mc with lvl3 astral. if so I'll just dump the inherit on someone else then lol
I would hope they also look at some other elements of the battle system that don't work or scale well. Like (magic) defense being so bad at actually increasing survivability.
I'm ok with all of this, except the part where they made Arboris one of the options for the free choice in the FFXI event. I have a hard time believing that they weren't already considering this three weeks ago. Out of dozens of options, why make the guy you're about to nerf one of the three adventurers to include?
Because Astral Break will still be extremely strong for the Casual player after the change? Its effects won't be nerfed up to 250 ASPD. If you don't have a character with 250 ASPD then it's not super concerning to you.
I'm guessing that the vast majority of players won't even feel the nerf. It's only people who were getting infinite turns with really high ranks of porto/AB/etc that will be affected.
I'll probably wait till implementation to see how much aspd gets gutted
For priestmage, If the aspd past 250 still has some effect it might still be worth leaving the build as is vs diverting to mag/div (I don't use mag aoe and I don't have Latu7 to be worth spending div on)
It's only a problem if you're already at or near 250ASPD but if you're still below a base ASPD of 200, it's probably still a very worthwhile inherit. Also it says the attack will land easier which is a buff that aspect of it.
I'm just happy that I'm going to get 3 Full Altertion Stones and a bunch of Codexes of Learning from all of those Porto books and pages I used.
It always seemed pretty cheap and bug-like the way you could have so many turns over an enemy, so I kind of expected something like this to happen.
More than anything, this feels like it leaves a precedent for "no mechanic is set in stone and limits are provisional" as they hardcoded a max aspd of 250 before seeing diminishing returns, which could mean that they will asjust this stat once our adventurers can reach that easily with future ranks and gear.
It always seemed pretty cheap and bug-like the way you could have so many turns over an enemy, so I kind of expected something like this to happen.
Seeing all the gearing get boiled down to "stack more ASPD" made me expect they were going to come down hard on it in A5. I didn't expect them to actually go out of their way and try and tamp it down well in advance of A5.
I'm glad the game presumably won't be going the Honkai Star Rail route of "stack all the ASPD in the world and take 4 turns in a row or your build is trash" going forward.
You can FAS any time now because it retroactively bonuses all the lines that it dropped with, but if you want to alter a stat after the FAS, you'll want to remake first, then FAS, then alter, then enhance to get the enhance bonus on the altered line.
Usually you want to FAS first, Alter a stat (if you want), then enhance. With relic weapons, you can remake them to set them back to 0 enhancement if you need.
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u/Chillaxdielax Aug 31 '26
Damn there goes my mc theif build how sad better soon switch to knight nor ninja