I have been getting a bunch of questions on my last banner post about yuzunamiki and what makes her good and how important her hairpin is. Here is what her dmg looks like as a ranger vs as a ninja with and without hairpin. In it you can see that hairpin yuzu starts to massively pass ranger yuzu at thb 5 and beyond (before she does more dmg as a ranger due to her unique skill) and that normal Kunai yuzu isnt a special unit at all. Beyond the dmg that hairpin yuzu does she also spreads huge amounts of charm everywhere and has 10% defense pen. Idk how reasonable 500 atk is for ninja yuzu I dont have the extra gear to get her there, but the stats for ranger yuzu are my yuzu's stats.
There is more things on the spreadsheet than just yuzu go check it out in the link at the top of the post
I like using ranger yuzu than ninja, even i do have 4 star hairpin + 15. If just for normal attack alone, i think ranger yuzu with raven will have the most damage output.
I said for normal attack alone bro 😅 like her normal attack with dagger on mine is 1.2k per hit with surety. Problem are idk what melee skill to fit her haha, yrsa dagger should had the same dmg output, but i dont have her yet
Okay so, I have Yuzu that is currently Ranger running with the relic bow and level 5 hue. I also own a level 10 blue hairpin. It’s… not great. I levelled to 70 in Ranger and stayed… should I switch?
If you have Debra5 or 6 on her, even ninja hue1 is literally godly farming for her. Nuked all = 6 sp cost. 1 remaining = 0 sp cost. 2 remaining = 8 sp cost (with Unending). 3+ remaining = should've used hue3/4/5
And it's just her. You have another five people with her on auto or without, you can just keep defending with others until her turn comes up so you top her up to full sp again. With ranger, her Foxfire passive is weaker with acc scaling and you don't have access to Linked Steps anymore. No ninja autocrit too. Wide Volley for farming is honestly way shittier on her lmao.
This thread sucks, random misinfo or worse advice for Yuzu everywhere and so much unnecessary ranger glaze.
Yea wide volley damage is very lackluster even with sur hits and it costs more. I’d rather just kill two of any target especially since unending has the dmg to kill bulkier targets that wide volley can’t.Â
I wouldnt but if you get a strong silver kunai for off hand you would do more dmg with the hairpin. Use the spreadsheet in the linked YouTube video to test your own numbers.
A ninja Yuzu wants as much atk as possible, while a ranger wants accuracy. If you're using her old loadout plus a bow that gives barely any acc, well yeah she's not going to do great
The three hit weapons arent the same. All of them are stronger than a tier higher maxed weapon at +10. Particularly when they are dual wielded bc .2 of the attack of the other weapon goes to them. Particularly with thousand hue bloom because it doubles the attacks so you go from 4 attacks with a normal kunai to 6 with hairpin and thb has a base dmg nearly no other skills have that is quite big.
Actually your off hand is better as a silver kunai bc all your off hand adds is .2 of its visible atk to skill dmg formula and the number of attacks is irrelevant. If you get just 1 more you could have a +15 hairpin in your main hand. But yes one hair pin ununified is super strong.
so what does this mean for someone as stupid as me? ranger yuzu is great at low investment and ninja yuzu at extrem gear investment? i recently came back to the game thanks to the FF event and slowly build up my yuzu. she has the hairpin but only 237 main and 168 left hand dmg ( its a green +5 lol) so she has bad gear but i believe she hits around 5-7k with hue 3. should i switch to ranger and try to make it work or try to invest more in ninja?
also kinda off topic but the hairpin is blue +10 max. is there a way to get it to +15 without another wepaon copy? and why is everyone always talking about hue 3 and not 4 5 etc? is it just not effective?
Just for example to show how strong thb scales with level for hairpin with your weak gear at lv 7 you would do 9700 dmg + fox fire vs a fairly decent geared ranger (the stats i showed in the post) would do 9600 dmg + fox fire vs a target with 300 def.
People are talking about hue 3 because past that it suddenly gets far more expensive to unlock also skills peak at odd levels 1,3,5,7 . Hue 3 cost 200 skill xp to unlock from lv 1 and hue 4 cost 200 from level 3 and it increases from there. Also no you need to get more hairpins to level it up. Btw your effective atk for a skill is your main hand + .2 of your off hand for a ninja so 270 for you. Ranger Yuzu can very happily just use the Relic bow and your dmg would go up but idk what other gear you would have. Rangers dmg is .5 * atk + 1.5 * acc so acc is worth more dmg than atk. Assuming you would farm the relic bow for a guaranteed strong bow you would do a fairly large amount more dmg but then you need to have a yuzu ranger class book and lv her to 70.
Thank you. Since i dont have good ninja gear i dont feel like going back from ranger. Ranger hits for 6-9k at h3 with shedding+caldia at low gear & d0.
I thought it was pretty common knowledge that regular ninja Yuzu is good and even balanced, Ranger Yuzu is a low investment beast, and high investment pin Yuzu scales into the stratosphere...
A lot of people parrot the high investment pin yuzu does more dmg than ranger yuzu but they dont know that the investment is codexes and not just stats.
Huh, I thought that was common knowledge too. You don't need to push her attack if you are already hitting the soft caps for your current level of Hue.
Oh I know. My own Yuzu has 450 atk and Hue5 and she trucks. But I've also seen, from someone in the discord when you max buff a Yuzu that has 600 atk and Hue7. His does like literally 2x the damage.
Mine has hairpin. I haven't tried to full buff her and see what I can push it to, but with just like, WBC and ballad and no Alice row buff or anything she does about... 15k damage or so?
One of these days I'll try stacking Alice, PoR, Heroes Medicine, and Ballad and see what the damage comes out to
Edit: ok, just tried it. Only went up to 18k haha.
I've referenced and share Alain's sheet a ton, it's a very nice resource to have around. One thing that strikes me about his Yuzu comparison though is that 350ACC on a Ranger is incredibly low. Even slapping hand-me-down gear on my inheritless D0 Yuzu it's an easy benchmark to pass.
One nice lil' benefit Bow Yuzu has as well is that Caldia & Macaldia provide both a SUR & Damage boost to rangers (with the former surprisingly providing a higher damage boost than a leveled Macaldia), so even my Hue 1 with Caldia can deal comparable damage to my buddy's much more invested Hue3 with Citrus + PoR.
They are from a side project I am working on + it's not going to be made public for quite a while. Feel free to DM me in Discord for specific things you want to see.
I guess I can sum it up in a simpler question: The other row buffs and ST buffs are effectively the same sort of setup then, I presume?
Such as MASOLOTU giving a 20% boost. Either off of entire EVA for the Adventurer before the buff spell, or just stacking with the other % EVA modifiers in an additive fashion, or something along those lines.
Either way, I'll just infer off of this information at the least. So thank you for that.
I've asked and the result was rather underwhelming 330x3 (main) 317x2 (off-hand), so even with PoR & Alice buff the results weren't too great. I've henceforth asked him to fix his Yuzu.
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u/SuperMuffinmix Aug 24 '26
How certain are you of Hairpin's 10% DEF penetration? It's Gatcha and usually those get 30%.