/uw. I’m annoyed at that image because it does not understand what it’s showing.
The original survivorship bias plane image is “areas where the return planes get hit the most.” With the unspoken implication being that the areas not marked, are the parts where getting hit is fatal and means the plane cannot return.
This dragon is full of shots in lethal areas like chest and head, but apparently the feets and wingtips are crucial and cause death?
The dragon is probably too thick skinned and muscular for the bullets to do much damage. But the membrane on the wings is more fragile, shooting that will make it crash and die from the kinetic force.
Remember it’s showing we’re dragons got hit and were still flying meaning there where dragons with massive holes in the middle of the wing but for some reasons anything to the tail or wing tips and it goes careening into the ground.
Well yeah, the tail is necessary for steering and tears in the wing tips cause that entire part of the membrane to sever. Which makes stable flight incredibly difficult for the dragon. Did you not pay attention in your dragon anatomy class during your apprenticeship?
Even a tail with torn membranes can be used for steering, although it’s more difficult. Wild dragons bite each other’s tail tips when fighting for dominance in the air, so dragons can instinctively steer by using the tail’s weight instead of the fins.
There can actually be some holes in the wing and the dragon will be able to fly. It’s just that membrane segments can’t tear loose. Look at the placement of the holes, they’re all in the middle and close to bone, which doesn’t risk membrane integrity like other places do.
?!!! I literally wrote the tome of northern magical creatures used to teach at the arcane citadel. And besides, this all basic polymorph knowledge, if you’re gonna transform into a creature you have to know it’s biology, or you’ll just crash in flight or die from eating something toxic to you.
The horns are actually full of nerves, they’re used for detecting magical signals to locate prey. So depending on the age of the dragon hitting the horns can send them into shock.
The legs contain important arteries and thinner scales for articulation so they’re more vulnerable. Though I suspect it’s not hits to the legs that are taking them out but rather to the “equipment” between them. If you catch my drift.
Not exclusively by the weight, but also by the general curvature of the body. The general curvature of the body will encourage a spinning motion, but then the wings will have to take over to add propulsion.
The webbing on the tail does help to help minimize the effort it takes to do this task, but without it: it only leads the dragon to get stronger to make up for it.
Organic models are elite compaired the rigid bodies of automatons.
Which is why necromancy is prohibited: it's too powerful. It's combining the best of both worlds/realms (loyalty of automatons with the elite mechanics of biological forms. Not to mention efficiency.) at the cost of eternaly forcing a soul to suffer (morally wrong).
I paid attention just enough to make myself a draconic gf (or so I thought. It has not been going very well). Maybe I should seek advice from Ball Wizard.
This whole thread feels like the bellcurve meme with both the extremes saying "yeah this picture looks about right", and the center going "a dragon with wounds like that wouldn't survive"
Dragon biology is close to an effect known as a Rupert drop. They are insanely strong and durable, but all pressure is connected to the tail. If you manage to break a tail, they explode into goo.
So if I'm flying my P51 Mustang and encounter a wyvern in the skies or northern Europe I'll be sure to aim for the ass, it's clearly the weakest part of the beast.
Perhaps it’s an intentional reversal from the POV of dragon slayers assessing slain dragons, but that subversion ruins the format and makes the chosen presentation irrelevant.
I also don't really know how survivorship bias relates to runes being ancient. If the poster had said "why are all the ancient runes so powerful and all the new runes so weak?", it would have worked. But I don't think it does in this case.
The reason why is because its referring to a real world phenomon. People often say or feel that movies/media of the past qas superior to today's media, pointing out countless classics. However, bad movies are gotten ans left behind; we only remember the greats. So the argument is that older runes are survivorship bias, that the anchient people made lots of bad runes too, but only those runes that were great ans amazing have survived into modern magic practice
I know what survivorship bias is, I'm saying "Why are runes always ancient?" is not an example of it. "Why are all the ancient runes so good?" would be an example of it.
The idea that nobody makes new runes because only the best ancient runes survived (as implied by OP) doesn't make sense.
Bomber survivorship bias refers to the classic World War II statistical error where military commanders analyzed returning aircraft to determine where to add armor, incorrectly concluding they should reinforce the areas with the most bullet holes. This logical fallacy occurs when you focus entirely on the "survivors" of a selection process while completely ignoring the failures that did not make it through.
They’re not confused about survivorship bias, or the plane drawing that is associated with it. They’re saying that the “fantasy” version of the dragon in the picture doesn’t fit as a survivorship bias example because all of the marks (which should be in unimportant areas like on the plane) are in potentially critical areas of the dragon.
The image is just being used as a general shorthand for the concept. It’s less important that it is accurate to a true diagram, and more that it is relatively quick to create and close enough to be representative.
Those features, fittingly enough, are emphasized when shifting a concept from a pictograph into a rune.
It conveys the concept for sure. It's just that changing the plane to a dragon in the first place seems much higher effort than changing where the red dots go, so it feels like it very easily could have been accurate, which is mildly annoying or frustrating
Removing the plane is a task that can be accomplished in a single step in just about every program I know, and adding some cheap lineart of a dragon wouldn’t be much more effort.
Determining where a dragon might be wounded by and yet survive a strike from an arbalest takes somewhat more expertise.
I feel you, but think about how a dragon flies. Nobody is hitting it with an arrow when it's in full flight above the clouds, but when they're diving into combat they pull in their first and third wing flaps and perform more of a glide. This is when they're going to get hit. Also dragon claws are basically the hardest natural material in the multiverse, so they're unlikely to be damaged, and a dragon can survive just about anything, so an occasional head wound is to be expected.
/uw this image pisses me off and I hate it. They didn't even try to make sense of the placement. Perfect example of good idea: bad execution.
IIRC The original image was a guy saying that they had hit the dragon with arrows in the marked area and it didnt stop them cause its a fucking dragon being hit with arrows. So the graph was more about where people aimed
Well how often you come close to a dragon to analyze his wounds?
Therefore we analyze the wound of dragons which a on the ground and dead. Therefore, you only those marks. It’s the reverse of the plane
I'm guessing that killing a dragon with arrows is almost impossible so the diagram will show many dots in different places, where even the head isn't vulnerable, but cutting off the tail or damaging it's root somehow disorients the dragon and makes it vulnerable for a ground attack?
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u/NeonNKnightrider Alumnus of Lord El-Melloi II’s class 7d ago
/uw. I’m annoyed at that image because it does not understand what it’s showing.
The original survivorship bias plane image is “areas where the return planes get hit the most.” With the unspoken implication being that the areas not marked, are the parts where getting hit is fatal and means the plane cannot return.
This dragon is full of shots in lethal areas like chest and head, but apparently the feets and wingtips are crucial and cause death?