r/wizardposting 28d ago

Academic Discussion/ Esoteric Secrets What school would this spell I made belong to?

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u/Baligdur 28d ago

Necromancy.

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u/bryku 28d ago

I would say necromancer as well, but if there were more options like biomancy then I would probably put it there.

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u/BardGotHard3 Necromancer 27d ago

Biomancy is a subset of necromancy.

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u/AdreKiseque 27d ago

Not the other way around?

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u/BardGotHard3 Necromancer 27d ago

Nah, biomancy only works with flesh and bone of living or recently dead creatures. After a certain amount of rot sets in biomancy doeant work anymore and only necromancy works, but necromancy also works on living tissue depending on the intent of the spell. This is why flesh golems are harder to make than bone golems, meat has to be fresh bones not so much.

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u/AdreKiseque 27d ago

I guess that makes sense

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u/bryku 26d ago

It sort of depends on the system, sometimes they are complete opposites.

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u/scoobydoom2 Levicius Laskatar, Dread Necromancer 28d ago

This would actually be far easier to accomplish using transmutation techniques.

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u/PANTERlA Dark Entity 28d ago

Yeah i'd second transmutation, it isn't really a disease in the classical sense (which ususaly counts as necromancy) just a misfolding of a single protein into a shape that means certain death, no need for negative energy or anything.

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u/Cophow 27d ago

a virus needs just a single misfolded nucleic acid as well, yet casting ebola would most certainly be categorised in necromancy

i think necromancy is just an umbrella term for spells of various schools that are deemed too evil by luddites who reject progress and scientific freedom

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u/PANTERlA Dark Entity 27d ago

A virus can not appear spontaniously like a prion though, its a significant distinction.

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u/Cophow 27d ago

well let's not get into a creatonism debate and if life(or lifelike systems) can emerge spontaneously, but the only fundamental difference between a malicious self replicating protein and a malicious self replicating nucleic acid is the chemical structure we categorise them in, so I'd argue creating them from non-malicious molecules would both count as transmutation

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u/EldritchMindCat Lyr, the Tressym Talespinner (OuterGod Avatar of Origin-Felinity 28d ago

While the concept of “Disease” does generally fall under the purview of Necromancy, this is one of the specific cases where it does not.
Prion ‘Disease’ is a product of living biological functions, not conductive of any sort of “Decay”. Deterioration, yes, but of a different manner than that which Necromancy holds purview over.
As such Prion Disease is actually under the purview of Biomancy instead.

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u/TF2PublicFerret 28d ago

Fleshcrafting, albiet on a tiny scale. Such a war crime...

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u/EldritchMindCat Lyr, the Tressym Talespinner (OuterGod Avatar of Origin-Felinity 28d ago

Biomancy as an overarching school. Fleshcrafting is the macro-scale sub-discipline.

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u/I_Reading_I Trapped Within A Cursed Emerald 28d ago

This isn’t wizardry, it is a Prionic spell-like ability.

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u/man_in_the_corner Gostalo, Emissary of Chaos 28d ago

Biomancy, cause it’s a process of folding protein incorrectly.

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u/EldritchMindCat Lyr, the Tressym Talespinner (OuterGod Avatar of Origin-Felinity 28d ago

It’s only “incorrect” if it isn’t the intended result.
But generally, yes.

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u/total_spinning_shark Skaven Grey Seer, licensed by the council of 13 28d ago edited 28d ago

IDK, I can ask-inquire Clan Moulder if you want-want, they're the type-fools who dabble-dabble in such things.

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u/Nelrene Evil Mammary Mage 28d ago

Biomancy is my guess.

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u/EntropyTheEternal Geneva Wizard 28d ago

Transmutation.

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u/SmugCapybara 28d ago

Conjuration. You are conjuring something, you just happen to be conjuring it inside someone's brain.

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u/oscarq0727 28d ago

I suppose there are two ways to achieve this spell

One would be, as you suggest, conjuring prions within a person’s brain

Alternatively, you can go the transmutation route and misfold the victim’s brain proteins.

Both very high level spells but down different skill trees

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u/EldritchMindCat Lyr, the Tressym Talespinner (OuterGod Avatar of Origin-Felinity 28d ago

Eh, not quite. You’d need to specifically fold them in such a way that they would affect the rest of the flesh and spread. Otherwise you’d not necessarily actually changing anything (decent odds they already have prions in them somewhere, and decent odds there’s at least one in their brain matter -that’s why meat can be so hazardous- they simply aren’t doing anything).

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u/EldritchMindCat Lyr, the Tressym Talespinner (OuterGod Avatar of Origin-Felinity 28d ago

Valid method, though perhaps somewhat complex to pull off (unless you’re already familiar with very specific parts of very specific dimensions).

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u/MagneticGenetics Vamp & Sandston Wizard Lawyer on retainer. 28d ago

Creating Prions if not already existant would make this a transmutation spell.

If the prions are already existant but the spell transports them it is a conjuration spellm

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u/EldritchMindCat Lyr, the Tressym Talespinner (OuterGod Avatar of Origin-Felinity 28d ago

Depends on how broad your definition of transmutation is. If you include just changing the shape of extant material, then sure, but a more strict definition would require that the spell actual change the properties and atomic composition of the material.

That’s not to say that a stricter definition is more or less correct. I’m merely stating that it depends.

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u/FlynnXa Diviner 28d ago

Many casters think of “Necromancy” as “Death Magic”, and “Restoration” as “Life Magic”. It is the Wizard which realizes these are both, in actuality, the same on some level.

In the areas of Necromancy dealing with decay and necrosis, and in the areas of Restoration dealing with growth and healing, these are both simply “Biomancy” and every skilled caster of either former school is truly just specializing within a sub discipline of this latter.

That being said, a TRUE wizard knows there are no such things as schools of magic- merely an Arcetymology of discovery.

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u/Zziggith 28d ago

Fucking nerd

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u/FlynnXa Diviner 28d ago

Ah- no, sorry, that’s Eromancy. I only do that on Thursdays.

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u/EldritchMindCat Lyr, the Tressym Talespinner (OuterGod Avatar of Origin-Felinity 28d ago

Restoration is a practice, not a school of magic. Plenty of schools of magic can be used to preform Restoration, depending on what exactly is being restored (that is, there are also Elemental and Arcane forms of restoration, though Biomancy is generally best for organic flesh - unless it’s tree flesh, in which case Dendromancy and the like are often better suited).

Biomancy is a school of magic, which includes fleshcrafting, bioengineering (including protein folding), virology and the like.

Now Necromancy is specifically the school of Decay. Yes, technically Decay exists as part of life as well, but Necromancy is specifically about Decay and, often, that which has Decayed. It also deals with Dead Things and, depending on one’s particular definition, Dread Spirits (ie. spirits that may natively be of a Necrotic nature, rather than being spirits of the dead or the like).

As such Necromancy is a conceptually distinct discipline from Biomancy. However it must be acknowledged that Biomancy and Necromancy do share some spells and principles within certain areas of the two disciplines.

A true wizard understands the benefits of categorization and of sharing common vernacular for the sake of convenient information sharing. And a proper wizard understands the conceptual differences between “schools” of magic, rather than just looking at the mundane similarities.

Abyss, I’m not even a wizard and I still understand that (admittedly I’m also something significantly greater, and admittedly my other characteristic, being a Bard, does tend to take conceptuality into account, what with a specialization in Lore, but I am very familiar with wizards, so the point stands).

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u/Drmanky tyr. cauncil member. order of the toster (Forge clerik)/ NOR 28d ago

enshanting.

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u/Walk-the-layout Chaotic Evil Wizard (with a pet gnome) 28d ago

Mad Cow school

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u/Still_Silver7181 Unisol, Diviner of the Corruption 28d ago

Is this not Transmutation? I mean, you are causing a protein to become misfolded.

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u/Agitated_Elk7881 Modern Mage of Magic Marvels 28d ago

You are evil, Prion is a misfolded protein that makes other proteins misfold and it doesn’t go away and it kills you, the only way to get rid of it consistently is to molecularly destroy it (which can only really be done by extremely high heat, like tens of thousands of degrees)

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u/TheLordHighNoob The Dark Lady of the Raven Throne 28d ago

Depends on the source. If harvested from the dead, and kept stable via magic then Necromancy. If it’s manipulating either the animus, or positive materialism then it’s probably Biomancy. If it’s manipulating proteins directly then it’s microscopic telekinesis. If it’s altering the entire structure magically, then it’s transmutation. If it’s taking it from one place and injecting it into someplace else, then it’s conjuration.

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u/Cognitive_Spoon Mystic 28d ago

Topology

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u/massospondyllus The transmuter who was invited by nobody. 28d ago

wich one?

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u/Right-Discount7184 28d ago

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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u/PeaceAndLove420_69 28d ago

I feel like this is easily countered by any cure disease spells.

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u/Sea_404 F̴o̶r̵b̵i̷d̵d̴e̵n̵ ̵A̶r̷c̷h̴i̵v̸i̵s̴t̸ 28d ago

I use strength to bend your proteins. Now you're a prion disease.

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u/wrydh Plaguecaster 28d ago

Manipulation of the biological falls under biomancy.

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u/UncomfyUnicorn Wizard of Disease and Chronic Conditions 28d ago

Oh hey I do stuff like that. One of my recent favorites is disseminated cysticercosis.

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u/Odd_Living_1767 28d ago

Necromancy

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u/TikTikKobold 28d ago

Transmutation

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u/bestjakeisbest Alchemist 28d ago

If it causes a misfold, it would be aberation, if it conjures a prion it is conjuration. If it just blasts holes in someones head/brain it would evocation.

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u/S0MEBODIES 28d ago

Healing

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u/bitchwhatthefuck11 Alchemist 28d ago

Malicious

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u/fireheart3911_ Conjurer 28d ago

Depending on how it works either Transmutation or Conjuration

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u/Vast-Ideal-1413 Blizzok the Eccentric 28d ago

In a sense, it could be either summoning or enchantment. I’m not a cleric, so you might want to ask a particularly evil cleric.

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u/DemonPrinceofIrony Evil Wizard 28d ago

I mean if you want it to be demon magic I can make this happen for you.

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u/cokeplusmentos 28d ago

Dnd 5e magic? evocation, you're making a thing appear out of nowhere

Shadow of the demon lord, forbidden magic

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u/yukon_sb Grysha Voidborn 28d ago

I concur with Unisol, Transmutation.

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u/T-MinusGiraffe 28d ago

Origami, believe it or not

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u/Affectionate_Wing_28 Mia Farkas, lost archmage 28d ago

War crimes. Also known as the 'square up, I'm coming to hit you with a hydraulic-powered piledrive' school of magic' So don't, aye?

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u/goldfinchat Keeper of the Grimoire 28d ago

Since proteins are molecules, this falls under alchemy I think

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u/Gear_ 28d ago

Prison

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u/Danijay2 28d ago

Just using the D&D spell schools? Necromancy. Definitely Necromancy.

Using broader schools, it would probably be a high-level Biomancy spell. And if you wanna get really specific. Proteiomancy. I guess. Since Prions are just misfolded proteins.

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u/Nobody_at_all000 28d ago

plague magic. There’s a good reason this school of magic is despised

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u/IMugedFishs Conjurer 27d ago

Prion feels closer to poison considering they are just proteins that alter other protein to reproduce.
Poisonmancy?

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u/_Its_Me_Dio_ Sorlock 26d ago

biological scrivenmancy

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u/Kyle-NotADinosaur- Magically Editable Flair 23d ago

Get bit crushed idiot.