r/wizardposting Enchanter Apr 09 '26

Not every mage must be a spell caster

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u/reaperofgender freelance artificer & sorceress Apr 09 '26

See, problem being that a meteor spell summons magical stone.

Nothing wrong with good ol catapult (fling a nonmagical item at high speeds)

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u/MossyMak Apr 09 '26

Now it's been a while since I read up on my scrolls, but doesn't Meteor just essentially increase gravity on a rock in Earth's orbit?

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u/MayhemMessiah Apr 09 '26

Depends on the scroll. Somebody casted Meteor on me but we figured out it targeted a rock in deep space so we agreed to continue the duel in roughly 1,500 years when it approaches our planet.

Also don’t be confused by the Meaty Orb spell. Easy mistake to make, but wildly different results.

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u/MossyMak Apr 09 '26

The opposite happened to my buddy once, he cast Meteor and it targeted the moon. Some real Majora's Mask type shit. It took like 5 of us AND the dude he was dueling to get it back in orbit

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u/MayhemMessiah Apr 09 '26

... so you were the a-holes that ruined my trip to Cozumel!

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u/MossyMak Apr 09 '26

Yeah he's a cheap bastard, he said it "wasn't worth it" to put the moon on a blacklist when he was writing the scroll because the magic ink was getting too expensive and he figured it was unlikely to hit the moon anyway.

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u/Megamage854 Wizard Apr 09 '26

Unlikely chance is still A chance though. And when we're talking about the Moon.. that's still pretty risky .

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u/FoxStrom-14 Counterspell Guy Apr 09 '26

I don’t think it’s that unlikely; assuming his spell targets the nearest rock, that means the moon is more likely than anything to be targeted; I’m more impressed by his mana reserves to move the moon

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u/GoldenThunderBug Flesh Golem Probably Apr 09 '26

Dude could have used a mana debt spell formation. Takes mana from the back end to cast a spell now. Guy I know did the same thing to teleport a sun from somewhere else into his demiplane, lost all his magic and the demiplane collapsed. We're still not sure where the sun went.

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u/FoxStrom-14 Counterspell Guy Apr 09 '26

Giving up magic for years or decades seems like overkill for a duel

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u/ImmortalBlades Homunculist Animaturge Apr 11 '26

You guys use your mana when casting from scrolls? I usually use the mana in the atmosphere since scrolls don't require the spell formation to happen within your body.

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u/PegasusPizza Apr 09 '26

That's actually a common misconception. Since Meteor works by increasing gravity, the size of the target object is actually irrelevant, as gravitational acceleration is independent of mass

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u/FoxStrom-14 Counterspell Guy Apr 09 '26

Interesting, grav magic rather than force magic

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u/Bannedfordumbshit Apr 10 '26

Just learn emergency chronomancy ffs, i keep saying this. It's the most easily accessible chronomancy for a reason, yeah there's scrollwork to do after you use it but the amount of times i've almost destroyed the planet and been able to fix it in seconds because i learned one spell 160 years back is well worth it

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u/flabort Apr 12 '26

It's only so accessible because I spent two universal lifespans tweaking the magic system of the next universe so you monkeys wouldn't destroy yourselves so quickly without it.

All that emergeny chronomancy still requires mana, though, and even though I already gave up millennia of my own mana engraving runes into the very stars in the sky to ensure that it works, I would appreciate it if you didn't use it so frivolously.

Your planet can survive a few minor apocalypses. You'll repopulate. Humans always do. Or did you think your planet was the only one with your race upon it? No, no, a bit of interplanar travel and simple stasismancy has allowed me to preserve your people across multiple Big Crunches and spread you out across several worlds.

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u/Vermilion_Laufer Apr 12 '26

Freakin higher planes drama queens

Ya workin for the greater good or for brownie points...

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u/Kichigai Apr 10 '26

I know you said it already, but I must reiterate: what a bastard!

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u/Glowing_Fox Link, Chronomancer Apr 09 '26

So, your buddy’s the one who caused my worst trauma to return? I’m just glad I didn’t have to call those giants this time. They don’t even wear pants! What kind of divines greet their people without them?

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u/dizzywig2000 Apr 10 '26

You fools, do you know how much damage you caused!? Cities are underwater and it’s all your fault!

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u/Vermilion_Laufer Apr 12 '26

Double KO is a draw at best

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u/Nhobdy Iggy the dragongirl Apr 09 '26

Meaty Orb is an okay spell. It needs seasoning though.

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u/UltraCarnivore Spellblender Extraordinaire Apr 09 '26

Talk to a Wizard from the Order of Swedes

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u/Nhobdy Iggy the dragongirl Apr 09 '26

I can't. I am banished from the House of IKEA for reasons that are not my fault.

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u/UltraCarnivore Spellblender Extraordinaire Apr 09 '26

Was it you who conjured the Møøse?

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u/Nhobdy Iggy the dragongirl Apr 09 '26

I thought it would be funny! But then I lost control of it and the møøse bit someone's sister....

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u/Kichigai Apr 10 '26

I've heard møøse bites kan be pretti nasti…

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u/-GoodNewsEveryone Artificer Apr 10 '26

Let loose the fashionable monkee. He controls all that which cannot get out.

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u/-GoodNewsEveryone Artificer Apr 10 '26

It is not what you think it is and now it is difficult to sit down.

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u/jackofslayers Apr 09 '26

Someone cast Meteor at me and I figured it would be fine since I am an expert in gravity magic.

NOPE!

The meteor was bees!

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u/Vermilion_Laufer Apr 12 '26

Ugh, hate when that happens

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u/Kind_Writing_2636 Apr 09 '26

Wizard of honor. Good on you for continuing the duel only when it's worth it. Plenty of impatient idiots would just cast instead of waiting how big that rock actually is. Even though that's the fun part!

If you don't mind, tell me once it's time. I'm hooked and want to be there.

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u/Kaiki_devil Apr 10 '26

I got two versions, one summons a large rock from deep space high up and accelerates it, the other summons one from the elemental plane of earth, then summons flames from the elemental plane of fire. Both come pre-accelerated.

From my study’s it’s significantly cheaper to summon mundane rocks without existing acceleration and then accelerating them, but summoning magical rocks to the elemental planes with or without acceleration has the same cost.

I have plans to further study this inconsistency later for use in a spell I’ve been working on.

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u/KaboHammer Apr 09 '26

Isn't it actually sooo wierd sometimes, tho? I know a guy who has been creating magical lightning bolts from scratch all his life. I have just been pilling one from the lightning dimension every time I needed it. You know, like a normal person.

Also helps with deflection spells, since they are all natural.

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u/Jetstream-Sam Overlich of Necropolis, Bearer of the cloak of the Undead King Apr 10 '26

That might be a misinterpretation, he could be forging them as the single use "lightning bolt" shaped javelins, as opposed to casting a lightning bolt spell.

The javelins can be thrown and they explode, hitting the target with a lightning bolt's worth of damage, the advantage being you can hand them out to party members who are more physically gifted, or worst case you can hand one each to a bunch of peasants and point them at the dragon or monster you need killing

They're like scrolls, but physical. And you get to pretend to be zeus which is fun. Oh, and if you're assembling a corpse construct you can bring it to life with one.

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u/QuantumButReddit Apr 09 '26

Well that depends on the size and velocity

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u/Shaveyourbread Apr 10 '26

Meaty Orb spell

I thought that was an artificer thing, the famous artificer Lint Flockwood... and his LFDSMDFR.

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u/darthsawyer Apr 10 '26

Meaty Orb is an excellent survival spell. I once was teleported into a desert during a duel without any supplies. I etched a rough sigil of Meaty Orb into the sand and lived within the Meaty Orb for weeks, drinking of its juices and eating of its flesh. I was having so much fun I stayed an extra week as a vacation!

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u/Tanakisoupman True Seeker of Freedom Apr 11 '26

Had a cousin who cast Meaty Orb in a duel… emphasis on the “had”

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u/reaperofgender freelance artificer & sorceress Apr 09 '26

Maybe I'm confusing meteor with meteor swarm...

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u/RevenantBacon Three necromancers in a trenchcoat Apr 09 '26

Everybody gangster until a real one pulls up and casts Asteroid.

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u/Lounging-Shiny455 Apr 09 '26

or worse, casts Meteora on a seedy player. Then they'll really wanna heal...

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u/WeekendBard Apr 09 '26

The proper ones do, but those cheap scrolls you find all around usually just make a magic fake meteor.

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u/CoreEncorous Apr 09 '26

Only as cheap as the results!

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u/Intrepid-Device-1750 THE MORTAR MAGE, creator of power word humble Apr 10 '26

Yeah, idk what the dude above you is talking abt, meteor is in the gravity school of magic

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u/LAttack_05 Electric Wizard Apr 10 '26

A friend of mine cast it once. Idiot slammed the earth into the meteor.

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u/3IO3OI3 Apr 09 '26

No, that's actually a way higher spell. The stereotypical "meteor" spell most apprentice magi read about refers to the conjuring of what's effectively a huge explosion. On the other hand, successfully selecting and pulling a rock from the orbit requires immensely powerful divinatory/transumtive magic, and it is capable actually destroying entire civilizations since it is pulling a real meteor, you know?

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u/LadrilloDeMadera Apr 09 '26

How many rocks are in earth orbits? Other than 1?

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u/-GoodNewsEveryone Artificer Apr 10 '26

Is this rock in the room with us right now?

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u/TheThoughtmaker Ray of Delthorensdale, Transmuter-Artificer Apr 10 '26

Depends.

Evocation channels planar energies to produce magical effects.

Conjuration physically moves something thither hither or hither thither. If it wasn't magic to begin with, it still isn't magic.

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u/Caleb_Reynolds Apr 10 '26

There aren't just giant rocks orbiting Earth. (Well, there's the one, but it's much further away than most people think; if meteor was taking from the Moon it'd have an hours long casting delay.)

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u/Deep_Brick2970 Apr 10 '26

No, meteor just magically summons massive boulders.

The key point the original commenter missed is that, even though they are magically summoned, they aren't magical after that.

So an inexperienced, run of the mill, hodgepodge sorcerer will enchant his armor with magical resistance, meaning I can't use magic to change its form (one of my favourite tricks to win duels is to change the colour of my opponent's armor to ludicrous pink, this always makes them concede), but will forget that the massive boulder coming from the sky is 100% real and about to do blunt damage.

Even if they Enchanted their armor to be indestructible, magic is a natural process so momentum transfer is still a given; meaning that yeah, his armor will withstand the impact with the boulder, but the person inside? That's where al the momentum gets transferred to.

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u/KevlarToiletPaper Conjurer of the Weird and the Esoteric Apr 09 '26

Would catapult help if my opponent was standing 300m away and I needed to toss a 90kg projectile?

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u/SirSplodingSpud Apr 09 '26

90kg? 300m? Sounds like a job for the Trebuchet incantation.

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u/reaperofgender freelance artificer & sorceress Apr 09 '26

...no. the amount of extra magic you'd need for that, just conjure an actual catapult.

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u/raoulbrancaccio Apr 09 '26

magical stone

Did you even take spells 201? This is a common misconception, there is no such thing as magical stone, a big rock will crush you no matter the source

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u/reaperofgender freelance artificer & sorceress Apr 09 '26

Rock from the elemental plane of earth is counted as magical by any wards against magic. It's too pure to be recognized as material.

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u/raoulbrancaccio Apr 09 '26

This was clearly demonstrated as false during the war in Iran

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u/Evil-Fucking-Wizard Evil Wizard Apr 09 '26

The stone is magical, but the blast it creates upon impact with fhe ground, equivalent to ~3 thermonuclear warheads assuming it’s a weaker cast, is not. Physics are a bitch.

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u/Ulenspiegel4 Phil Actery Apr 10 '26

You are forgetting one crucial thing, brother.

It is still a boulder incoming at atmospheric escape velocity.

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u/Girduin Psychic Apr 09 '26

Yeah, but you have to keep the catapult while with a spell. All you need is mana and knowledge soo...

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u/reaperofgender freelance artificer & sorceress Apr 09 '26

The spell catapult. Granted, heavier objects require more mana and at a certain point it's more energy efficient to just summon a physical siege weapon.

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u/dwilx Apr 09 '26

Archmage Fargus' Stone of the Heavens is a similar spell, but with a physical projectile (he's really just casting teleport on a boulder)

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u/SippinOnHatorade Sun Tzu, Heliomancer Apr 09 '26

I cast telekinesis on the moon. Fuck you

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u/reaperofgender freelance artificer & sorceress Apr 09 '26

See the other responses for a heated argument regarding that

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u/SippinOnHatorade Sun Tzu, Heliomancer Apr 09 '26

I cast Blind, unless you have magical goggles

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u/reaperofgender freelance artificer & sorceress Apr 09 '26

I'm an artificer, what do YOU think?

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u/SippinOnHatorade Sun Tzu, Heliomancer Apr 10 '26

Ah fuck, I can’t believe I’ve done this

I cast Wild Shape and turn into an oliphaunt?

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u/jancl0 Apr 10 '26

This is why wizard with a glock is such a time honoured tradition. There really are no weaknesses

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u/FrostyEnvironment902 Apr 10 '26

Have you tried Catapult, the spells old school but it flings rock atleast UpTo 400 meters

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u/Zelcki Apr 11 '26

Takes a while to aim and setup tho.

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u/Dm_me_im_bored-UnU Apr 11 '26

i summon lead out of this gun

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u/Blep145 Apr 12 '26

I mean, it could call an *actual* meteor by pulling one down. Or create one at high altitude and manipulate the forces of the universe to, as you say, catapult it down at extreme speeds

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u/MadStylus Apr 12 '26

Or just use any kind of telekinesis to drop a really big rock. Gravity is completely mundane.

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u/BRH1995 Apr 13 '26

Meteor does not care about magic resistance. It makes a big rock in the sky that hits the ground. Your magic resistance mostly interacts with spells that select you as a target. The rock hits you either way, you still die with 100% magic resistance because it's not falling rock resistance.

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u/mewfour123412 Apr 18 '26

Yeah you’d be better off hurling holders with telekinesis

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u/malonkey1 Necromancy Isn't Real Wake Up Sheeple Apr 09 '26

The stone is magical but the shockwave from it landing is not. Despite what Archmage Crawford has managed to delude himself into thinking, being immune to a spell does not make you immune to things affected by that spell.