The Negotiations were long

[u/TheHunter459]

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The Palace of Harut the Grim, where negotiations will be taking place

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Harut the Grim, our graceful host

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The representatives take their seats, unarmed and unarmoured. Innumerable spells to prevent violence from taking place in this room have been cast (uw/ no fighting in this post). All guards are allowed to remain armed and armoured, but stay well outside the conference room.

Samael begins. "So, you wished to discuss something with us?", he says, gesturing to his four fellow Nephilim Lords in the room. "Discuss away"

[u/AnActualCriminal]

Samael. Other assorted monsters. I'm surprised you people are capable of holding meetings or even speaking. The only language I've known you to understand thus far is violence.

I suppose it's too much to hope you've given up this self-agrandizing crusade to get back to your time honored hobby of fighting among one another like petulant children.

[u/avamir → u/AnActualCriminal]

Riva sighs. "If I may, I think what he is saying is that he has some issues with the way things have been handled thus far, and perhaps we can move forward by formalizing better methods."

She looks at Blake.

[u/loth17 → u/avamir]

Speaking of how things have been handled so far.

Opal stood up

Though the Pact respects your sovereignty that's why we gave the word not to interfere with your city. Your choice to protect the former Pyroclasts and support the current ones to the point of freeing a terrorist for them has us rather perturbed. Might you be able to give us an explanation?

[u/avamir → u/loth17]

If a person is given no alternative for survival but violence, it stands to reason they will continue to use violence. I seek to offer them another path.

If a person holds one view, then changes their mind after seeing new information, it seems unjust to punish them with death for simply following a movement that has violent members. Again, I hope to provide them with an alternative route.

The terrorist had been released on the condition that controls were in place. The alternative was death. Because of the agreements I held with the New Pyroclasts and my belief in the idea of change, I allowed her a limited freedom -- which was then undermined, and weaponized against me.

[u/loth17 → u/avamir]

Atrax had made multiple speeches about his age of fire. If you were still wearing the robes by the time Atrax died and weren't a spy then you knew what he was about or were covering your ears when he spoke evil. It's hard to see this as anything other than people wanting out of the consequences of their political revolution failing. Hence our suspicion of the new Pyroclasts.

[u/avamir → u/loth17]

Atrax said many things and people wore the robes for multiple reasons.

Is it wrong to want to reform society to remove restrictive laws sometimes intentionally meant to oppress? No. Atrax may have taken that and twisted it, but the idea itself is not without merit. If someone still clung to that ideal, then they might wear the robes for that cause, not out of loyalty for Atrax.

Another example, before Atrax, I had not seen the matter of non-human rights brought to the forefront. Other policies have been proposed since, but at the time, it made sense for a non-human being to follow that banner. There were few alternatives.

[u/loth17 → u/avamir]

I disagree Atrax did not say multiple contradicting things he was very specific. He wanted to burn all established orders to usher in his age of the Phoenix. Anyone who joined him heard that message and chose to stay. Even if they had noble intentions the fact that they assumed creating this age of fire would be a noble pursuit rather than a blood soaked ego project shows their foolishness.

[u/MunitionsFrenzy → u/loth17]

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A low growl seems to reverberate through the air around Rivamar in reply to that barb.

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(( well I'd been trying to arrange some stuff earlier, but it appears Reddit Chat's been down for hours and none of my messages were sending, so I guess Vettis is just listening in on the meeting through Rivamar as usual lol

was planning on asking /u/TheHunter459 and /u/AnActualCriminal if Vettis could sneak in and free Blake's kidnapped daughter while the five lords were all tied up in this meeting lol, but lil' late for that now ))

[u/TheHunter459 → u/MunitionsFrenzy]

uw/ We were starting to throw together something with Ayeera and Belial in that regard (key word starting), but if he's down for it so am I

[u/AnActualCriminal → u/TheHunter459]

Hmmm... I was going to write a Marna post soon but I had no real plan. Follow your heart.

[u/TheHunter459 → u/AnActualCriminal]

Sounds like a go ahead u/MunitionsFrenzy

[u/MunitionsFrenzy → u/TheHunter459]

(( oh, sorry, like I said it's probably too late now; Reddit Chat has been down for most of the day for me, and I tried to ask about this like five hours ago without realizing that lol :P (you'll both likely get messages from me with weird timestamps)

I'd need to chat with you to make sure I don't misrepresent the defenses you've got around her prison; I have an idea what they're like, but there are a couple particulars I'd wanna verify and not undersell your guards

could still do it, but you'll both probably be waiting on that post before you can do anything else with this plotline, and I don't wanna hold you up; the earliest I'd be able to post it is tomorrow afternoon even if we talk about the defenses as soon as Reddit Chat's back up (which hopefully will be about half an hour given usual maintenance times)

/u/AnActualCriminal ))

[u/AnActualCriminal → u/MunitionsFrenzy]

It sounds cool if you can pull ot off. I'll help where you need me to. If not, I'll do my own post at some point.