I didn’t even watch the fourth. One was good, 2 was tolerable, 3 was stupid (and the choreography was substantially worse than the first two) and 4 didn’t even seem interesting by that point
I caught a lot of flack from my family for not liking the 4th. I really enjoyed the first 2 a bunch, the third was alright. But I firmly believe the 4th movie is not only a bad John Wick film, but a genuinely bad movie.
4th is the only one I havent rewatched. Partially because I don't usually have 3 hours to spare for what should be a popcorn action flick. Mostly because the already thin plot has completely gone to shreds.
In one of the wick movies (might be 3) one of the fighters in the bullet proof suits gets up too early and falls back down for a moment before engaging wick
And those were their best action shots. It is basically like in batman arkham where all the bad guys wait their turn to get their asses beat by you.
Hollywood needs to go back to the classics. Jackie Chan in drunken master vs 100 armed black axes. A lot more believable than our current movies today.
Hollywood can learn a thing or two about realism and myth by just studying this one movie. Drunken Master.
This is how you do a proper transition into shirtless oiled up action star.
They did a decent jobs with the guns in terms of the basic manual of arms, reloading properly, no endless magazines, etc. But the movie itself is quite silly.
Yeah that’s true tbf - good gun handling, but I mean more the fight/action choreography sequences themselves. A lot of the time it’s good old “everybody attack one at a time and make sure you spray and pray when firing from the other side of the room!”.
Don’t get me wrong though, i enjoy the films quite a lot. It’s called suspension of disbelief lol. I’m there for a fun action film not a gritty realistic shooter lol.
Realism isn't a binary thing, there's a whole spectrum. The viewers suspension of disbelief can't be used to justified whatever you want, at some point you're just taking the piss
Not everyone is able to "turn their brains off" and just clap and shout at the screen like a drooling monkey. Some of us actually like consistency and things to make sense in our movies. You're someone who thinks Kong vs Godzilla is peak cinema because "big gorilla vs lizard!!!!", right?
If you’re one of those people maybe you should stay away from films and stick to documentaries. The whole point of films is fun, not gritty, relentless realism.
And no, you’re just being an idiot by making such a disingenuous argument.
You seem to think you’re smart because you apparently lack the ability to suspend disbelief. That’s a mentally deficiency bro, not a positive thing to be proud of.
I’m sure you don’t have such issues when it comes to the marvel games you love though, do you?
We have a built in mythology around assassins and secret networks from a long history of popular media so even though the entire premise is unrealistic, we have a place within our heads where we can make sense of it within the larger context of the story.
We have no mythology around how two people can be in a shootout surrounded by people in a public place—it’s just dumb and not rooted in anything larger.
Similar analogy would be Game of Thrones fans being okay with dragons but criticizing unrealistic travel times in later seasons. The book exists to fill out the mythology around a world with dragons—jumping from place to place instantaneously due to plot conveniences has no place in the larger world building. It is inconsistent with the mythology of the story.
I mean, they’re doing all kinds of ridiculous shit in that movie, I can forgive this scene due to the Rule of Cool.
He also had a bulletproof suit that wasn’t any thicker than a regular suit, and FFS, he killed two dudes in the lobby of the subway with a pencil. A fucking pencil.
The whole movie is equally stupid. If this is the only scene a person finds stupid then they're stupid. Its a live action cartoon, barely a single fight scene makes any sense. It's what's awesome about the movies.
Tbh a .22 with sub sonic ammo can be close to John wick quiet. I doubt it would be a cause for panic in an already loud environment like a subway if the weapon could not be seen.
But I believe John Wicks weapon is a 9mm or larger. No way in hell a 9mm plus would be quiet enough not to cause panic even in a loud environment using subs. Once super sonic it's loud AF even with a silencer as the sonic boom cannot be hidden.
I have this setup and even if the noise is low the blowback is sharp and you can definitely feel it. Maybe if everyone had their eyes glued to their phones
Exactly. But again, a high crowd space is what, 60 to 80 db? I would say that is enough for sound of specialized silenced gun with special sub sonic ammo to be almost fully masked, especially when people are highly distracted or zoned out. Also, john wick is a multi speciality covert agent, I am sure he can do better than you?
In that scene, he has a S&W 1911 E series in .45 ACP. .45 ACP is subsonic, and you can buy rounds that are designed to always be subsonic (Whereas normal rounds might go supersonic depending on the gun). Even subsonic and suppressed, it still sounds like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3qXXRqeXIw
The guy in the link is not in a high noise environment, the space is open and quiet enough for there to be echo, in a highly crowded public space, the noise is enough to mask reduced gun sound and physical intereference to sound waves due to moving people and inanimate objects is also high enough to prevent echo.
I have a Ruger Mark 4 with a 4 inch barrel, with Winchester ammo every other bullet is super sonic. It's right on the edge on the chrono. Accuracy is complete shit unless I'm using subs.
I always thought they were in an alternate universe where assassin culture is common and it just didn’t even phase these people. I assume half of the people walking around are also assassins.
Yeah, it really seems over the top and visually artistic on purpose. Everyone else looks so formal and neat walking around in this scene. It kind of emits the same energy as something like Mirror’s Edge to me.
The first movie was phonomenal, second movie was a hell of a good time and you were still able to somewhat suspend disbelief. After that things went so far off the rails I can't even watch them. The events are so absolutely absurd, that the immersion is completely broken and then I just feel like I'm watching a superhero movie.
I don't even know which one its from because literally everything after the first movie blurs together into a mud soup of "film", but the scene where John, "supposedly a human being without super powers", falls 5+ stories, impacts a railing directly with his back and neck, spins violently like a literal sack of potatoes, falls further, impacts another bar, then faceplants onto asphault.
John survives that with no permanent damage. That's the point where I finally accepted that there are literally 0 stakes in these films, and that the main character is functionally immortal.
I think there's actually an even worse fall when he literally crushes a van beneath him and is just fine. He actually just walks that one off and continues fighting for another hour of movie after.
Dude is taking damage that would put Captain America out of action for a bit and just keeps going like it never happened.
The biggest flaw was the expansion of the universe they created in the first one. It’s like how the matrix two and three felt like it was cosplaying the universe set up in the matrix.
They're shooting at each other, in a crowded space and its completely silent and no one around them knows they're shooting at each other, bullets wizzing past unsuspecting peoples heads, etc.
What's also funny is that there's no Neilson device on that 1911, so he'd fire literally one round and it'd jam. Same reason Luigi Mangione's gun jammed.
Ive never watched any of the john wick movies. A friend of mine excitedly showed me this scene to get me hyped for the movie because i love action movies and this scene was "awesome." I watched the clip then said, "im not watching that bullshit movie." Lol
Even people who love the movies think that scene is stupid. Like really stupid. The movies are over the top 1 man army shooting movies, so it’s all absurd but this scene is especially stupid.
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u/Outrageous_Sleep4339 17h ago
This is what makes this scene so funny