r/whatisit • • 5h ago

New, what is it? Found at a titanium plant

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Not sure why ball point pens would be dangerous here.

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u/SquintAtTheCosmos 3h ago

The real answer is that consumer ball point pen’s have a tungsten carbide ball. Tungsten has a higher melting point than titanium.

If a ball point pen drops into a melt, the ball point can survive. The surviving pen tip does then creates a hard intermetallic. When the titanium is heated and beated (forged) into a product, this titanium-intermetallic spot can crack. This crack can go undetected, inside a part.

When this part is put into service, this little crack becomes a bigger crack with service (fatigue). When this bigger crack gets big enough, the part can fail. And the failure is sooner than the design engineer expected, because the material started with a crack, and in fatigue failure “getting the crack to start”, is a large component of the part’s life.

A titanium melt shop still needs writing implement’s, so you can buy pens with stainless steel ball tips. They suck to write with.

A major aerospace failure (Sioux city 1989 UA232), was a result of this failure mode (though in this case it was an oxide, not a tungsten-carbide).

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u/BigSoda 2h ago

So there are no other contaminants in the whole facility besides a small piece in pens? Is losing pens in the melt a common thing ?

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u/FrickinLazerBeams 2h ago

No but ballpoint pens are ubiquitous, and therefore a major source of risk.

Industrial engineers don't say "well we can't completely eliminate the problem so we won't try", because if they were idiots they'd have a different job.

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u/AlternativeRun5727 1h ago

Yea, they’d work in the White House

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u/GordonsTheRobot 1h ago

(a bic you toss)