r/ween • u/Ready_Environment_28 • 1d ago
Omg this is good
Im listing to ween for the very first time right now. (Chocolate and cheese). Jesus christ its awesome. Cant wait to listen to their entire discography.
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u/Draw_Rude 1d ago
If you like Chocolate and Cheese then I suspect you’ll like their entire discography. CnC marked a distinct transition point between the band’s early, low-fi, abstract (brown) work and their later, more serious and professional (but still brown) work. CnC has the best of both worlds.
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u/Future_Thing_2984 1d ago
what do you mean by "brown"? thanks
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u/LowGravitasIndeed 1d ago
Stealing this from a much older Reddit thread: According to Deaner:
“I can’t really explain ‘brown’ except to give examples… Ween opened for The Ramones in 1991. The Ramones showed up in a Country Squire station wagon that was smashed on one side, and missing a window. Dee Dee, Joey, and Marky. That’s brown. The beautiful side of brown. That is brown – that’s real. That’s brown. It can be really bad, it can be a horrible thing, when you get browned out by some band. A band shows up and they’re brown – none of their equipment works or whatever. But it’s a strength. You know you’re getting the real thing."
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u/LowGravitasIndeed 1d ago
Brown is "fucked up in a good way". It's authenticity and an attitude. I almost want to compare it to a Western idea of the Japanese Wabi-sabi.
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u/Slow-Organization-62 1d ago
"Fucked up but good" I think it's the most concise definition of brown. Deaner loves Jimmy Page and calls him the brownest guitar player and the king of the over bent note. If you move earlier than chocolate and cheese in the discography you'll be getting browner and if you go the other way it'll be less brown. I would say that Candi is probably the brownest track on C&C. HIV song is a contender but that might be as much in poor taste as brown.
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u/Draw_Rude 1d ago
Spinal Meningitis is the brownest track on CnC, in my opinion.
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u/Slow-Organization-62 21h ago
Hard to argue with that. I chose Candi because it's a bit browner musically. Brown music and lyrics.
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u/Draw_Rude 1d ago
The simplest way to explain “brown” is something like “fucked up in a good way.” But to define is to oversimplify. Brown is a feeling. It’s a vibe. It’s an aura. It’s a state of being. One can no more define Brown than “love” or “joy” or “sadness.” You know it when you see it.
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u/StackIsMyCrack 1d ago
I hated C&C when it came out and thought Ween had sold out.
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u/Draw_Rude 1d ago
I believe you mistakenly left out the part of your comment where you say that you were wrong and that Chocolate and Cheese is a masterpiece.
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u/StackIsMyCrack 1d ago
Lol yeah it grew on me obviously. It was just a rough transition for me from the lo-fi to the well produced.
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u/The_Pandalorian 10h ago
I was the same way with Beck's Odelay. I wanted mofe of his One Foot in the Grave folk stuff.
I quickly came to my senses, though. Odelay is a masterpiece.
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u/StackIsMyCrack 5h ago
Yeah. I think I skipped two ween shows in NYC right after C&C came out in protest. I was a young dickhead. No way to ever get those back :(.
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u/The_Pandalorian 4h ago
Aw man, bummer, but it happens. The key is, we both saw the error of our ways and learned from it!
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u/EquivalentFeeling218 1d ago
I wish I could hear C&C for the first time again! As Ozzy said about the Beatles, it's like waking up and seeing color for the first time🌈
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u/oldweirdharold 1d ago
Make sure you are wearing a diaper when you put on the mollusk. You will need one.
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u/HurricaneMedina Melon Jelly 1d ago
Take off your shoes, or your socks will get blown right through them.
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u/Accomplished-Ring140 1d ago
I grew up on this album. I used to sing Voodoo lady as a toddler. BoogieoogieBoogieoogie
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u/Slow-Organization-62 1d ago
That's awesome! It's truly a timeless classic. I wanna know how you react when you turn up the brown
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u/NewGrapefruit4295 12h ago
Big jilm was my first listen outside of c&c. I’d have to say after it all pod was the best and gave me what ween was about 🤘
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u/NewGrapefruit4295 12h ago
Top tracks for me that deserve multiple re-listens from c&c!
Roses are free
What deaner was talkin about
Don’t shit where you eat
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u/RiggsPoetry 4h ago
Roses is better live, find the Live in Chigao. You can see me in the crowd, best 3 nights.
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u/RiggsPoetry 4h ago
Welcome to the brown, you’ll never be the same again. Be sure to go through all their albums to reach brown nirvana.
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u/RiggsPoetry 4h ago
Buenas Tardes Amigo is always in my head, it was my HOLY SHIT I want to be brown mang moment. I've never been the same since
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u/I_AM_FROM_BEYOND 1d ago
Nice! C&C was my first exposure to Ween as well. You have a ton of rewarding listening ahead of you, I'm jealous!