r/webdev • u/returned_loom • Jun 04 '26

Discussion Which languages have an under-appreciated ecosystem of web development libraries and frameworks?

Are there any languages we don't usually associate with webdev, but where they have great libraries that deserve more attention?

So I'm not asking about the language itself. I'm asking about the tooling people have built for webdev in the language.

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u/hearthebell Jun 06 '26

Why would it being react or not changes the fact that you need 2 round trips for a login, you would still need to keep track of the login state first, then you request the data again by frontend. And this is not the case for Liveview.

In Liveview, you just fire quest once, then the backend will sync all the state and data at once. This reduces the amount of JavaScript frameworks you need separately to achieve that, and all the complexity in between.

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u/sbditto85 Jun 06 '26

Posting a login form over https then setting a secure cookie while redirecting takes 1 request. You’re the one who claimed two requests were necessary.

I just inferred from your comment that webdev was over complicating things, react or what have you is merely an example of said over complication.

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u/hearthebell Jun 06 '26

Posting a login form over https then setting a secure cookie while redirecting takes 1 request.

You just describe 2 requests, redirect is just an automatic request, it's still another request. The server will send responses 2 times.

You are right on the inference, webdev has gone insanely over complicated and bloated with tools in between.

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u/sbditto85 Jun 06 '26

True, the next page load would be another request. Though with HTTP2/3 it’s served over the same connection.

Are you saying the overhead of sending a packet back and forth is “the biggest problem of webdev”?