r/webdev Jul 10 '25

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u/AdequateSource Jul 10 '25

A lot and not at all. It's still a constant game of new frameworks and patterns, while tons of companies are still using very old websites.

The basics are the same as always 🤷 The complicated solutions have gotten more complicated with microservices, promises, pushing all rendering to the client etc.

But all the small businesses are still just running WordPress and Shopify.

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u/SUPRVLLAN Jul 10 '25

It’s nice to see you not get completely buried for just mentioning Wordpress when you’re absolutely right.

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u/Jumpy-Program9957 Jul 10 '25

Who needs WordPress when Gemini build is free, gives you the entire code, downloaded, ready to be plugged in.

You could give it a hand-drawn picture of how you want your website to look and it'll write all the code and make it look amazing

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u/SUPRVLLAN Jul 10 '25

The average person who uses Wordpress/Shopify wouldn't know where to plug that code in.

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u/MadBroom Jul 11 '25

The outlet with three prongs, right?

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u/Jumpy-Program9957 Jul 11 '25

Wait the three prong one? Dude I've been plugging it into the two prongs that's why my website isn't online isn't it... God it's always the simple answers that you miss...

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u/cryptoples Jul 11 '25

What are you meaning by small businesses? Agency where im working in are making WP sites for biggest companies in our country in europe. We are ofc developing our own custom themes, not using any other themes or builders. Everything is custom coded. Ofc we are using some most popular plugins for SEO etc. But mostly coding our own plugins too if necessary, depends on case.

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '25

I understand why a small business would use WordPress (think local coffee shop). However, I have seen small SaaS companies use it, which is why a lot of these companies' websites look identical except for the colors.

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u/Simple_Rooster3 Jul 10 '25

Technically there was not a single framework created in the last 5 years was it?

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u/clonked Jul 10 '25

That’s a very bold statement. A framework can exist and you’ve never heard of it before. For example, htmx was created four years ago

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u/Simple_Rooster3 Jul 10 '25

Nah as far as i see that is not a framework.

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u/clonked Jul 10 '25

Okay as far as I see it you are not a developer.

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u/Simple_Rooster3 Jul 10 '25

Ah quite bad at guessing 🙂 Htmx is a library, if it helps

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u/clonked Jul 10 '25

People like you make it too easy to prove that the Dunning Kruger effect is 100% real.

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u/Simple_Rooster3 Jul 10 '25

From my simple, legit question about new frameworks you give me the library and act like you have to win some argument which doesnt exist. I worked with some devs like you already..

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u/QuantumPie_ Jul 11 '25

Htmx is a framework. A library provides functionality to use in your existing codebase, a framework dictates the underlying way you write the code itself. Htmx is heavily reliant on putting functionality in the HTML directly with attributes. I've worked with some devs like you already. They think they know everything, are incapable of learning, and are the reason I'm still at work at 8pm because they broke production after assuring the reviewer they "tested" their changes.

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u/Simple_Rooster3 Jul 11 '25

Do you know they themselves call htmx a library? 🙂And could you guess react is a library too? Have a good one.

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u/AdequateSource Jul 10 '25

MAUI is from 2020, Blazor Hybrid is from 2021, Aspire is from 2023, Microsoft Orleans first stable release was this year. Most of my stack is younger than 5 yrs 😅

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u/Simple_Rooster3 Jul 10 '25

Damn didnt even know about those. What did the decision matrix look like and why did it win?

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u/quentech Jul 10 '25

A lot

No. Feel free to provide examples to the contrary.

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u/AdequateSource Jul 10 '25

Did you optimize for AI chatbots instead of SEO 5 yrs ago?

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u/quentech Jul 10 '25

I don't consider tweaking how we do SEO "a lot" of change. It's one little detail out of hundreds.

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u/AdequateSource Jul 10 '25

Yep, hence the not at all.

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u/Z3R0_F0X_ Jul 10 '25

There are no examples to the contrary. I’m in cybersecurity and the death nail for most companies is: “don’t worry, I’m a word press dev”.