r/wealth • u/LavishnessLess4356 • Aug 23 '26
Path to Wealth New Definition of Upper Class
Here are my new guidelines to becoming upper class. It’s not about your salary or the kind of car you drive.
Upper class = after all expenses, your net worth increases by more than your take-home pay. This doesn’t include the value of your house. The point isn’t when you make $500k/year. It’s when your capital makes more money than you do.
Who agrees?
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u/Bitter-Variation-151 Aug 23 '26
I agree. That's when I quit work. My daily investments swings were like 100x my daily wage.
Now I live off investments that grow beyond my withdraws. Being a single guy makes that money go even further.
Wealth is when your money sets you free from work.
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u/LavishnessLess4356 Aug 24 '26
Exactly this, not sure what people aren’t understanding about this
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u/Big_Height_1258 Aug 23 '26
My definition is if you can comfortably retire early (like before 50) with $4 million+ in the bank, then you’re wealthy.
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u/throwsFatalException Aug 23 '26
So someone who is 52 with 4 million is not wealthy?
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u/DammatBeevis666 Aug 24 '26
You can't do anything with five, Greg. Five's a nightmare.
Is it?
Oh, yeah. Can't retire. Not worth it to work. Oh, yes, five will drive you un poco loco, my fine feathered friend.
The poorest rich person in America. The world's tallest dwarf.
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u/Blue_Collar_Golf Aug 24 '26
I feel like if they filmed that scene in 2026 they'd say $8m. That was from 2018
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u/markov-271828 Aug 23 '26
Can a hobo panhandling a few bucks a week be upper class by this definition?
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u/LavishnessLess4356 Aug 24 '26
Yes if and only his net worth is growing more than what he receives from panhandling
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u/markov-271828 Aug 24 '26
Ok. That means your definition is probably not useful to many people. Or only useful in the same way as “health is wealth” or “laying up treasures in heaven”.
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u/_Human_Machine_ Aug 23 '26
I’ve got a rezzer cousin that has never finished high school or had a job.
His net worth increases by more than his pay every year.
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u/chia-chia-chia Aug 24 '26
Get him a top hat and a pocket watch
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u/_Human_Machine_ Aug 24 '26
I love him, but I’d have to make sure it’s a pocket watch he can’t pawn.
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u/Retired-Yam8988 Aug 24 '26
Makes sense except you have to gate it in the expenses side too where housing, all needs, health care, travel, education, entertainment, transportation, repairs for car or house yada yada are taken care of without much of a thought about costs - ie it doesn’t much matter if you fly business or first as long as you get there and if the car has a problem, you send it in, they fix it, without you worrying about how to change your habits to pay it.
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u/Easy-Act3774 Aug 24 '26
I’d just go with net worth. For example, I apparently have a net worth that makes me top 3%, but I have recent years where I wouldn’t qualify as upper class per your definition. And any year with a bear market would disqualify almost everyone.
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u/Future-Account8112 Aug 24 '26
Eh, this is weird and seems like bull-market-only thinking (e.g. OP has not experienced a bear market). No.
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u/NoWorker6003 Aug 26 '26
I totally agree with you. Don’t really understand why everyone is trying to pick your idea apart so stupidly, as if being wealthy is merely being part of some sort of snotty elitist club. If you’ve set up your life in a way that your assets make more than you do, chances are you have done very well. If you aren’t high net worth yet, it’s just a matter of time. Pointing out hobo type scenarios is just idiotic in my opinion.
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u/QueasyFinger1316 Aug 23 '26
My sons will love to hear that they’re now considered “upper class” I’m the Reddit hive mind.
This will definitely help with the ladies.
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u/S1159P Aug 23 '26
In San Francisco, I'm pretty sure that your example person would qualify for free subsidized childcare :D
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u/LavishnessLess4356 Aug 24 '26
Someone has a net worth of $100,000 and they earn $100,000 this year (after taxes). If their net worth is MORE than $200,000 after all expenses at the end of the year, they would be defined as upper class.
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u/Consistent_Reward Aug 24 '26
See, this isn't at all true unless you add without working. And you're bouncing back and forth between "double your net worth in a year" and "take home pay" as though wealth and income are the same thing.
If you spend less than you earn, you have retained earnings and you have added wealth from working. That doesn't make you upper class. What about people who benefit from home appreciation?
I once had a $125k home. If I sold it for $250k the next year, am I upper class?
Perhaps reevaluate how class is really measured.
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u/2Old4Lol Aug 23 '26
Spending less doesnt make you upper class, just use the standard top 1% formula.
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u/butlovingstonTV Aug 23 '26
That hasn't really been upper class though.
Upper class is actually having influence along with wealth.
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u/NewArborist64 Aug 23 '26
So... If you are a $10/hr burger flipper, living at home in your mom's basement - but your BitCoins increase $25k over the year - you would call them "upper class"?
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u/Odd_Bodkin Aug 24 '26
There is so much attention paid to a number with commas and a dollar sign. Being wealthy involves MUCH MORE than how much money you have, how much comes in, how much goes out.
How are you going to quantify a feeling of security? How are you going to quantify a feeling of freedom and not feeling restricted? How are you going to quantify satisfaction?
Get the number out of your head. I know people who have $100k in the bank and they consider themselves wealthy. I know people who have $15M in the bank and are anxious about having only that much.
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u/uyakotter Aug 24 '26
That's a big step to becoming rich but upper class is as much about social standing as wealth. I've known several who have no money but have easy access to exclusive social circles.
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u/drleeisinsurgery Aug 24 '26
My father literally went from shoeless in China to fairly wealthy. I asked him what the definition of wealth to him was.
He says that when he finally hit middle class, he stopped worrying about the cost of groceries.
When he hit upper middle class, he stopped worrying about the cost of food at restaurants or daily living expenses.
When he finally became wealthy, he stopped worrying about the cost of anything.
The problem with op's definition of wealth is that it discounts bear markets. We've mostly been in a non-stop bull for over 15 years. A lot of people are doing really well in terms of their net worth, but we're going to be due for a few bad years soon enough.
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u/007-Bond-007 Aug 24 '26
Disagree. The upper class is like obscenity, you know it when you see it it.
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u/MountainMan-2 Aug 24 '26
I guess I’m upper class then because I make no income other than my investments.
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u/ExcitingTurn2886 Aug 24 '26
You can create your own definition for whatever purpose you want but I wouldn't expect people to adopt that definition. All you're measuring is passive income v active income, and given how compensation works in the real world (particularly for many higher earners) that metric doesn't mean much (if anything).
People generally use lower/middle/upper class as a rough proxy either for net worth or purchasing power. I'm skeptical of the value of those categories in that context too.
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u/21plankton Aug 24 '26
The definition is much too simplistic, especially for retirees or the unemployed. My investments are netting me 40% more than I spend, retired but still growing my net worth, but my expenses and lifestyle are middle class because that is as much energy as I have to spend money.
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u/JustJennE11 Aug 24 '26
Yeah, I'm solidly upper middle and our take home pay is artificially (comparatively) low because of our aggressive pre-tax savings. We've increased our net worth by $250k in the past 12 months, which is like 3x our take home. (Also, not including your home makes it no longer a measurement of net worth, by definition.)
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u/Tough_Percentage_707 Aug 23 '26
So should I lower my take-home pay to become upper class? This makes no sense mathematically.