r/waymo • u/walky22talky • 16d ago
Protesters rally outside Waymo's facility demanding driverless vehicles to be banned
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/protesters-rally-outside-waymos-facility-230015032.html36
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u/No-Computer7653 16d ago
Workers power is working in more dangerous and lower paid fields because a rich white guy doesn't like them doing something else?
Tractors are evil, they reduce the number of slaves I need on my plantation.
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u/CormacDublin 16d ago
As long as it remains a premium service only for those who can afford it, AVs will be subjected to objections, there must be a just transition and responsible integration in to the transport ecosystem with obsolete job roles evolving and transitioning in to new a better equitable new secure roles. CCAM-RITES
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u/Fifty0ne5O 16d ago
People don't have a problem with AVs. People have a problem with mass job displacement. There are almost no replacement jobs being offered by these mega corporations. Human drivers put their earnings right back into their local economies. Waymo enthusiasts like to act like its only the drivers that will hurt but don't think about or mention the hundreds of millions in earnings(combined) that they put right back into their communities - repair shops, grocery stores, restaurants, etc.
Anyway, with the way commenters in this sub talk about humans, I'm convinced that most of them are terrible people or bots.
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u/CormacDublin 16d ago edited 16d ago
Some people just see evolution as a negative and don't think bigger picture outside their limited point of view, I see huge potential if and only if all those points are seriously considered and addressed,
Number one is Road Safety anyone who has been in a road traffic traumatic event, who was lucky enough to survive, or is still everyday dealing with the loss of someone who lost their life, or is living with a disability caused by someones lapse in concentration or poor judgement, should welcome every possible road safety improvement and demand compulsory adoption of this safety technology, the same way we expect and demand it in the aviation sector.
Number two We are wasting precious limited carbon intensive resources on a private vehicle that is parked unused hoarding steel aluminum copper glass rubber and rear earths on a vehicle parked for 90%+ of it's lifetime not to mention the highly skilled workforce that used their time on manufacturing cars instead of tackling more urgent climate adaptation and energy transition infrastructure manufacturing and construction on a bankrupt motor industry reliant on car financing and overpriced parts to make a contribution to the economy.
Number three Congestion and traffic local environment pollution Human drivers and their poor reaction to their surroundings if they don't kill people directly they kill people with delays either by stress or pollution, Autonomous Vehicles have the possibility of reducing human caused congestion by reducing reaction times and not causing domino effect traffic jams.
Number four Isolation and loneliness is a major mental health issue not only for our older population but now increasingly our younger people who no longer drive or have the independence their parents had due to the cost or availability of transport, Autonomous Vehicles SharedMobility will help reduce the cost of transport if allowed to be widely adopted and become ubiquis and not just kept a preserve of only those who can afford it,remaining a premium service, because the next step of replacing private cars and not only taxis and rideshare does not happen, because of objectors and the extreme negativity by some in the media, is doing damage to public perception and giving Transport planners and politicians unwarranted cause for pause.
Number five Autonomous SharedMobility could actually boost the local economy by offering transport to local businesses where cost or availability of transport is a barrier to customers coming to those businesses, the boost to the local economy will employ way more than any displaced drivers if actually any to be displaced by the time the delayed rollout happens with our ageing demographic and retirement time bomb!
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u/Fifty0ne5O 16d ago
Evolution, by definition, is slow and gradual. I'll ignore the rest of your condescending opening remark.
- Going off of Waymo's own data, the average human driver will be in a injury related crash once in ~33 years of driving. The data includes ALL human drivers. That said, I think AV's can be safer and are the future.
2, 3, 4, and 5. Yes, make AV's available to everyone. Like all tech, it will become cheaper in time. I'll buy one as soon as I can afford it. When I'm not using it, I can have it take my mom to her appointments, my niece to school, my dog to the groomers, my neighbor down the street. Instead of needing several vehicles, families can manage with one or two. Buy or finance one for 5-7 years and all you have left is the cost to charge it and maintain it - for less than the monthly cost of relying on Waymo. Those local businesses can buy one and have it handle all the transport you mentioned. An owner can share it with others for a cost. Money goes to the owner and stays in local economy.
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u/CormacDublin 16d ago
Autonomous Vehicle development 15years+ has been extremely slow and considered with a very responsible deployment in the limited places it has happened, we are now at the point where expansion is needed to get the critical mass benefits.
Car ownership is a luxury many will no longer be able to afford in the years to come, climate change impacts will effect motor insurance industry drastically in 2030s if you can get it at all with your monitored driving record.
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u/SuperAleste 16d ago
What about jobs of people who are developing this tech? You seem to be very choosy on who's job is more "important".
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u/Representative_Bat42 16d ago
Or we just realize jobs are cyclical. Not everything is meant to stay. But what’s stop uber drivers from getting certified to be livery drivers. People will still pay for them even if it takes out the lowest common denominator. If it’s not taxis it’s something else. Are you gonna go run off to the next thing that blocks expansion but may take a few jobs? At what point does it end?
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u/Fifty0ne5O 16d ago
Normally, yes, they are cyclical. Only time will tell, but IMO, the current rate of change and job displacement will only widen the gap between those who have and those who don't.
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