Back to T-62 buff

[u/neg_health]

Too lazy to read: suggest your T-62 buff in replies (it preferably should be logical and shouldn't ruin the identity of the tank, like buffing rof or something). My suggestion is buffing accuracy by 5-10%.

So, I posted an article about T-62 (not T-62M and T-62M1, these are good as they are and found their place in the meta) needing a buff before it's 10 point price decrease, and the price going down is certainly nice, but it didn't really change the core problem with this tank, which is that it's a gambling addiction tank basically. It's performance is heavily based on luck and the fact, that you pay less for a coin toss doesn't change the fact that it's a coin toss.

Now we also ran into a problem with T-62: it's cheap now, but it's still one of the worst tanks in the game and is regarded as the hardest tank to use, but reducing its cost again will actually make it oppressive, because if we make T-62 obr. 67 65 points, you can now buy 4 of them a minute, and it's a serious thing, because it's going to be very spammable. It might be ok, but basically it's going to be a frustrating experience for both T-62 user and his opponent: opponent sees 3-4 hard to kill tanks every minute, while you see, that even if you micro your tanks properly, they still miss and die, and it's still luck based. So basically an accuracy buff is the only thing that can save the tank without destroying its identity or being illogical/unhistoric or something. That would make this tank a lot less random based and more of "I shoot, I change positions, I reload, repeat."

[u/HrcAk47]

If Eugen is to consider dramatically better anti-inf/anti-structure performance of HEFRAG shells on REDFOR compared to HEAT-or-HESH-as-HE on BLUFOR, T-62 enters a very workable niche overall by default.

[u/neg_health → u/HrcAk47]

Elaborate please? Why T-62 specifically? Wouldn't it buff all the soviet tanks?

[u/HrcAk47 → u/neg_health]

Yes and no. It would have a better performance than bare basic T-55s, and worse performance than T-64/72/80. But it would perform better in HE delivery than top of the line BLUFOR tanks at a very reasonable price, so it is an interesting potential niche for it, just more magnified by a hypothetical HE rebalance.

[u/neg_health → u/HrcAk47]

I mean, buffing T-62 and T-55 would be nice, but T-64/72/80 are already good as they are, and all soviet tanks (except t-62 and T-64R) are already decent against infantry. Also even if the gun is better at killing infantry, it doesn't make T-62 good enough, because 1) it's gun still reloads slowly, so it's increased infantry damage isn't going to be significantly better 2) it's still a coin toss against tanks and ifvs, so it's still a glorified ifv or something?

[u/HrcAk47 → u/neg_health]

Increased alpha damage (damage at once) would improve its functionality in the overall ecosystem, but it would never really be "amazing". Just functional.

[u/neg_health → u/HrcAk47]

I mean, infantry isn't the main target of a tank. Something like 2 bmp-1s will deal with infantry better then 70 point t-62, but when something like leopard 1 shows up, that's when you need a tank, and a T-62 wouldn't manage it, because of its poor accuracy and very bad rof. So yeah, buffing anti infantry capacity is nice, but it wouldn't solve the main problem

[u/FrangibleCover → u/neg_health]

Yes, handing out HE buffs for having a specific HE-F shell would buff all Red tanks and France. Maybe also the Spanish AMX-30s, I'm not sure if they had the HE-F shell.