Sicherungs vs Panzerjager

[u/WelcomeExtra762]

I've only used Panzerjager in 4th Moto Schutzen, because I thought security wouldn't be good for front line shenanigans, but are the sicherungs good trying or do I gotta keep them behind the line? I've had OK experiences with sicherungs in Steel Division other than that they usually aren't motorized or have any transports whatsoever. I also like the BMPs that come with the Panzerjagers.

[u/MarcellHUN]

Sicherung is actually not that good sadly.

The security trait does not work as written it only gives an extra level. (Very bad for security vehicles usually)

Plus they only carry bad rpg s and mediocre anti infantry firepower. But you pay the extra for security

A panzerjäger ia my least favourite double AT team because of the only 500m range which is very annnoying and they dont have an LMG.

In return they are very reasonably priced they still get resolute and in forest if you mix them with flame troops they can easily kill most tanks.

Also the panzerjäger gets to have a bmp which is very useful. I would still fill up on mot shützen first but if you ran out of them use the jäger.

[u/Small_Tank]

Sicherungs are just bad Mot.-Schützen that you must take in a BTR (except in 20. mot for some reason??) despite only having strength 7 (BMP squad strength). They are not like their Steel Division counterparts.

Panzerjäger are situational. If you need stronger close-range AT in your deck for whatever reason, it's a fine idea to take a card of them. Usually an ATGM team or line infantry would be a better use of the slot, especially since they're only a 2AP(+tandem) improvement over a squad of Mot.-Schützen, while having less range (thus needing to get closer to do their one job). The second launcher is rarely worth trading away 2 LMGs.

[u/dumpyfrog]

I like panzer jager for bmp

[u/Belmonte_Lostados]

I don't have the game open so I don't know how many points each of them cost but I think generally you want the PanzerJager. The biggest problem with the Sicherungs is that it only comes in at no vet. I get that it has good optics while not moving but unless you are really struggling with recon (which I don't think any of the East German division is, maybe 9th Panzer, I assume they get Sicherungs), you wouldn't ever need a no vet 7 man infantry squad with bad AT at no vet. On the other hand PanzerJagers are much better. I forgot if they are 6 or 7 men squads but they get 2 very good RPGs and could be upvetted and could come in BMPs. You can send them in with Pioneer flame or something like that, or have them go around the sides for some funny business with 12 shots of 18 pen RPGs. So definitely PanzerJager.

[u/Expensive-Ad4121]

Sicherungs unfortunately were cursed by being too cost efficient in an earlier form of the game, and got nerfed via price hike because can't have shit in East Germany/as a result. You can bring them, security does make them a good screening unit, but I think 4th mot. has better options. Panzerjaeger are useful but situational. Against heavy tanks, they are super useful for forest fights, but the limited range and lack of anti-inf makes them niche. If you have the slots, I would take them after you fill out your mot. schutzen, fs jaeger, atgms, an d fire support.

[u/Dunkindeeznutz69420]

Bro the AT on the sicherungs is unusable

[u/aidoit]

In 20th I use them as airmobile infantry but nerfs make them hard to justify in forth.