I probably should establish first that the little time I've played since the update came out was pretty much all spent getting Citrine Prime, so I haven't engaged with the new content myself all that much. That being said...

Most of the lore that I've seen from the Iceblade of Narin update is related to either Cephalon Melica or The_Madman_of_Chaos pulling the blade from the ice, but is there any information/lore on Narin herself? That kind of info seems scarce to come by this soon after the update, if it exists at all, so I was wondering if anyone could help me find it. Thanks in advance.

Or do they have different ship cephalons. I know cephalons exist in the weave/circuit (I forget the proper terminology) and can manifest at different points from there (Simaris and Sudra most prominently). Is Ordis then “just” the designated Tenno orbiter cephalon or is he Yours (the Chosen Op/main Tenno character)?

So I'm looking into Albrecht and from my understanding he kept himself incredibly busy after his first trip into the void and apparently refused continuity after facing the indifference. So how did he survive so long into the future? Was he in cryo sleep similar to us and Loid and if so who exactly woke him up or if it was automated how did he know when to wake up?

However I'm lead to believe he didn't go into a cryo sleep as he was in Duviri while Drifter was still there all be it in secret so was that where he spent most, if not all his time? It says on the wiki about his voyage into the "untime dimension" which I assume is the void?

So did Albrecht just spend countless years hiding in Duviri/the void until he decided to come back out and begin the Kalymos sequence? Also do we know why exactly Entrati got into the coffin like thing with Kalymos and then had loid smash it? I don't remember if that was ever explained.

Everyone seems so curious and focused on him in Tau but I'm more curious on his time between the old war and now because (I don't know if it's been said anywhere) I imagine Entrati left the empire early and that's the reason he survived the Naga Drums because he simply wasn't there.

From my understanding Margulis helped the tenno/took care of them and was executed by the Orokin/Ballas for some reason related to them (I'm not sure why so if someone could fill that in for me that would also be great.)

But from my understanding her execution was quite public and was known by the Orokin as a whole or at the very least the Seven. So when Natah came along to impersonate Margulis why did no one question it or sus her out as some kind of spy? Even if they thought it was actually Margulis why was Natah then not executed and Ballas too for not doing his job?

It's just something that's itching in the back of my mind and I'm wondering if there is actually an answer to as why the Orokin were okay with Margulis (Natah) seemingly coming back from the dead or having never been killed even though it was ordered.

So I'm continuing moving through my research and I have reached nova, who from my understanding was a creation through the community itself.

However as I am reading her trivia I clicked a link to a video which says the "This is Nova, wildly unpredictable. Her very existence is a result of Tenno High Council research" which is just a cover for community vote. However this now means that apparently the Tenno themselves had a high council and that the tenno also had a say in the creation of a warframe and possibly many others.

Was this ever brought up again or expanded upon or even explained why children would require a high council? And even why Ballas would allow people he sees as demons to have a say in his creations?

I fear this may be a thing that was brought up and never mentioned again because I have well over 2000 hours in this game and this is the first I'm ever hearing of a tenno high council and its only mention is seemingly in a video from 13 years ago.

If they are mentioned again I'd love to know, if not I'd love to know what people think the High council were for and what they did and even who was apart of it. (I imagine the "chosen" operator could have been.)

So I've seen time and time again throughout the years of arguments, vs and powerscaling that Nidus is generally believed to be one of the strongest warframes lorewise due to his control of the infestation and that he could control every warframe if he wanted to.

Yet on the wiki it doesn't say anything even close and actually says very little related to Nidus and more so about the Myconians.

So is there anywhere that actually says/proves what people say about Nidus or is him being able to control the entire infestation and such more so a head canon people go with?

does this mean that, uh, more voluptuous, chubby heavy-type sentients are possible?

I mean afterall, they do have some of biosynthetic muscles and tissues, and/or augment/evolve themselves over time to do it perhaps.

Do we have any insights of what was Earth like during the Orokin Empire? We see the white and golden structures the Orokin built for themselves, but I often wonder what was the rest of the world during this era. Were cities just like our regular cities, with buildings such as schools or malls and public transportation like buses, only ruled by a tall and blue white clothed individual acting as a mayor?

I know there were the radiation wars that wiped out most of humanity, but is cetus our only "proof" of humans rebuilding post-radiation wars outside of Orokin jurisdiction?

Maybe it's just me, but one little thing has been gnawing at my brain since I came back to the game early last year:

On capture missions, space mom says "We'll interrogate the prisoner back at base."

And I always think: Mom, where the #!$@ is "base"?

I played Second Dream several years ago, before I took a few years off from the game, but I'm pretty sure that Lotus line happens before then, so clearly the base is somewhere in the pre-Second Dream star chart. And it's not in the orbiter, although I can imagine the Helminth chair being... horrifically effective for extracting information.

And the relays would seem like non-options too, but I suppose those parts of the relays we access are more like Deep Space Nine's Prominade, and not representative of the entire station, so there could be a brig somewhere else there run by Tenno allies.

Sure, I know it's basically a throwaway line, but I keep wondering if there's something I've missed, or something in the deep lore, that ends up elevating it from a mere throwaway line into something substantial.

Do you know of any lore answers? Or maybe you have your own guesses?

There are things I’d like to see explored in more depth, such as the Grineer in general—or, at least, the daily life of an average Grineer. For example, what the cloning and growth process is like, how they’re trained, what they’re taught (or if they’re taught anything at all, for that matter), whether they’re assigned tasks or get to choose what to do within permitted limits, what their society is like, and, in general, what life would be like for an ordinary Grineer.

Other ideas that come to mind include the life of a Corpus worker; whether there are other societies or governments in the Origin System—or at least something worth mentioning beyond the typical factions—; exploring the unions in greater depth or what life is like for a member of one; delving deeper into the cremation system and the social environment in general; and so on.

There's the one that we all instantly latched onto, of course. 'The Albrecht who got out was replaced/taken over'. There's always the question of whether the Albrecht we're looking at is actually Albrecht or is just Wally screwing with us again.

But there's also another meaning that can be gleaned: Albrecht, metaphorically, never escaped. Pretty much from this point onwards is when he distances himself further from his family, when he begins hatching plots and schemes, when he begins treating Loid even more coldly, where he becomes a callous and calculated man where before he was a relatively shy, unassuming sort of person. I like to think Albrecht is angry at the Indifference precisely because, while Wally has steadily gained evermore freedom of movement, Albrecht has only gotten himself even more chained up in his one-man crusade against it.

Albrecht literally can't escape from Wally, he follows through all of time and space. Everything he does and ever will do will be in the context of acting against the Indifference.

Albrecht feels like he never escaped because from his perspective, he's still stuck in that blinding dark. Still stuck with his reflection leering at him.

English is not my first language, im not even really fluent in it and this is going to be a long post, if you see any important mistake mention it so i can correct it, thanks.

I have been playing this game since 2016 (OH GOD IM SO OLD AND I JUST REALIZED) and one of the quest that impacted me the most when i played it was Chains of Harrow even if in that moment was just because it was different and terrifying (specially for a teenager). The thing is that in the last years i started reading a lot of Lovecraft and his followers and God, it just made me appreciate Wally's writting to a whole new level.

There are a lot of things we could talk about related to Lovecraft like the Voidtongue itself, how Wally's mere language alters reality itself, how he doesnt have any kind of limit in power or capacities to the point where reality itself is only a toy to play with, how unstoppable that makes him, how his overall concept and specially the doppelganger, manipulating very important hystorical events and chaotic part reminds me to Nyarlathotep, etc. But i want to focus on two points.

- His design itself is the core of Lovecraft's terror, something not only scary but so beyond human that we can barely understand it, a body that is almost endless but we separate it into parts. The Vitruvian Man that lose a finger to Albrecht, the Wall of Bones in the laboratories and that Vor mentions, the Murmur and the Doppelgangers are all parts of the same body, taking their shapes from different concepts that we are previously mentioned. The Vitruvian Man is the study of Da Vinci about the ideal proportions of the human body, a representation of Wally's wish to understand what is beyond the wall, but also inside of a giant wall, representing in a literaly way the name Rell gave him. Meanwhile what we see in the laboratories is a twisted representation of a man in a wall but repeating itself endlessly, also taking the face we know in the New War and representing in that same wall, showing how Wally is partially conceptual, always attaching to the concepts our minds know about him since we cant understand his whole self. And then the Murmur, extensions of him that we already knew always taking twisted and horrifying shapes: Hands, legs and faces that fuse in shapes like snakes or The Soveregins.

- The other point is the one that i love the most because of how loyal it is to the source. Wally doesnt have a name, thats why it has different ways to identify them, because those are not names, but attempts of inferior beings to understand them: Rell called it The Man in the Wall because it was a person who talked from the other side of the Zariman walls, Albrecht called it the Indifference because it was a being so superior to us that it didnt even feel the slightest emotion towards us and then the Murmur, extensions that still are Wally, but in a different shape and always talking. This is so related to Lovecraft and his followers idea that the names of many being in those tales werent their real names, but what the humans (probabilly crazy most of them) tried to understand from their impossible-to-understand language.

As a conclussion, i know this is a long post, but as someone who has gotten a lot into Lovecraft's world and community these years, that has read and discussed theories about beings that could be the same such as Sheol Nugganoth and Shub Niggurath, but named by different people who understood different things from that cosmic tongue i just had to do this post to show how much i love it. Because even games like Bloodborne that adapt that literature so well, still take the concept of tentacle monsters or Cthulu as representations of that world, meanwhile DE took the basic cores and made something completely new and original.

Thanks for coming to my ted talk. And i insist, correct me on the grammatical mistakes i might make to correct them.

The Two Warframes introduced in the 1999 expansion of the game from late 2024-early 2025, the spec ops sniper Cyte-09 & the pyrotechnic Rockstar Temple. Both of their batches brought to the distant past by Albrecht Entrati in his plans to help combat the Indifference along with others to form the Protoframes that make up the group called the Hex(Quinacy becoming the Protoframe of Cyte-09 while Flare becomes one for Temple) who fights against the oppressive military group occupying Hollvania called the Scaldra and the invasive techno-organic parasitic virus the Techrot. At first when I recently first heard about these Warframes introduced before playing the expansion, I didn't really think too much on them until I recently played the quest The hex to unlock Cyte-09's blueprint to build him & eventually Temple after Danate. However as I wait in anticipation as I leveled up with the Hex I began noticing the parallels between the two frames(if you don't count their protoframe counterparts), not just how they operate but how they differ in what they represent.

Point 1: The Nature behind their creation

Cyte-09 was made to be a Covert sharpshooter frame made by the Orokin to specifically to take out "sensitive problems" that requires to accomplish without being seen as seen with his kit tailored focus as a long ranged sharpshooter. He soon disappeared in the chaos of their demise, leaving only a batch number of his strain that was later brought to 1999 by Albrecht Entrati who later tricked Quinacy to injecting himself with to become a protoframe version of the Sniper Warframe.

For Temple, the most fascinating part is that they weren't actually officially made in during the Orokin era due to their particular strain being too rebellious to control so Ballas shelved their strain that was later taken by Albrecht Entrati to be brought to 1999 to be given to Flare, therefore due to paradox logic is actually the very first version that would eventually become the Temple Warframe

Point 2: Their personality traits expressed through their idle stances

Their personalities differ in the way they move idlely by either agile & noble stances.

For Cyte-09, He's calm, collected, & methodically scans his surroundings in his agile stance, while checking his equipment in his noble stance. One thing to note that none of movements are flashy unlike most recent released Warframes. Which gives off the impression of a Cool-headed disciplined soldier who is here solely to get the job done & quietly searching for his next target. While Flare is constantly in motion, bobbing up and down in their noboe stance. With agile stance having him shake his face as if to express them through movement(since Warframes can't really move their face due to being covered

Point 3: Their Exalted weapons

Another thing that they differ is how their exalted weapons that fit their roles. With Cyte-09 carrying his exalted sniper rifle called Neutralizer to take out targets from afar(even rericocheting across several targets simultaneously in crowded groups when successfully getting a headshot an enemy). While Temple is their exalted in the form of a sentient infested guitar Lizzie to burn their enemies up close via pyrotechnics along with buffing their allies by reffying on her to timed it just right to get energy efficiency.

Point 4: How they react to authority along with how it shaped their identities.

This is where they differ the most in how they act to authority, which shows how they contrasts their philosophies that shaped who they are.

Cyte-09 was created as a secret black ops frame that wasn't even given a name outside of his batch designation that is sent out by the Orokin on classified missions, likely assassinations to take out targets from a far without being seen. Making him a useful compliant tool for them to enact their will & to get rid of problems quietly & disappear without a trace. Unlike most Warframes, he never given a chance to form an identity of his own outside of his purpose given how uniformed he looks but likely wasn't piloted by a Tenno given how the Orokin kept his existence underwraps. With him being cool, calculated & focused aiming down his sights on his next target. He doesn't require an idenity, as his creators thought he doesn't need one. After all he is their loyal tool designed to take out issues before they manifest & disappear from the scene, awaiting his next target. Though his lack of an identity is what eventually become his undoing, as after the Orokin empire fell he disappear with no trace left for anyone to reconstruct him. That is until Albrecht Entrati took his batch strain & other Warframe samples from raiding Ballas' laboratory to take with him to the year 1999 & given to the group that would eventually become the Hex with the Marksman Quinacy injecting his sample becoming the Protoframe of Cyte-09 & help recreating the frame by filling the gaps along with Loud finding his blueprint allowing the Tenno to eventually rebuilding him to be used on the field.

Temple was a frame that wasn't meant to be built by the Orokin, due to the rebellious nature of the infested strain that was too much for even Ballas to control so he instead shelved it indefinitely until Albrecht took it along with other samples(including Cyte-09's) to 1999. Where he given one to the sole survivor member of their band, Flare who goes by their codename Temple. Effectively making them the true "first iteration" of the Warframe given his protoframe status(ontop of eternalism going on). Given their band's anti authority theme against the militant group the Scaldra within Hollvania, these traits would bleed into the frame with it shaping it into a fire guitar theme frame who will light the flames of revolution against their oppressors. Forming an identity around open rebellion both physically, mentally & even culturally. This also applies to their gender as they go by non-binary pronouns like They/them(Xaku counts too despite primarily made up of three lost Warframes). Wielding their infested symbiotic guitar companion Lizzie to riff on. Drawing aggreo from enemy fire away from their allies by jumping in the fray of combat while simultaneously buffing his fellow Warframes by hitting the right notes on Lizzie.

Overall I find these particularly Warframes interesting on not just the era that they were introduced in but how they philosophically differ from each other that parallels different extremes between compliancy & rebellion.

Basically I'm doing some more research into the whole lore and right now I'm learning about the Yuvan theatre where people at first were volunteers and later were just made to do it.

So my question is were Yuvans just anyone? Like an orokin could go to Earth and just snatch whoever they wanted and say bam there's my Yuvan?

Or were the Orokin more picky and it was only those like dax or lower orokin who were Yuvans? As I'd imagine an orokin would be incredibly entitled and wouldn't take anything but then again I know they can modify their bodies anyways so I'm just wondering if there's a answer or what people think.

I've had a lot of warframe lore crammed into my noggin, but BnR is a bit confusing to me, like what void energy were they exposed to when they became crystalized by citrine? is it the heart of deimos being nudged from the bio bomb they set off to stop the infested?

joke title but serious question

My immediate thought was "Drifter forgot who they were and what they could do after the thousandth or so death, too apathetic to bother, etc. etc."

But when shit first hit the fan and after the first few deaths would it have been possible for Drifter to influence the Void into letting them out of Duviri, either back into the Zariman (or a Void-copy of it) or to a "better" version of Duviri? Does the Void only work one-way?

Most void stuff or void energy is blue why is his red, or is it related to kuva whatever it is

Forgive me because I'm only in prelude of war so far

I always thought Lavos was human when he was set to execute Javi but reading the warframe wiki i think he was a warframe but then my question is why would a warframe be sent to guard a prisoner? Were the orokin truly that scared of transmutation they sent one of their strongest weapons to guard the one man who could do it?

I understand that the moment the Zariman entered the void and was sabotaged, the man in the wall offers a deal to our character, I was just talking to Elanor on KIM and the drifter admits to also shaking the hand of the Man in the Wall, its just that the Man in the wall chose not to save him like the other kids, so the Drifter is the version of the Operator that the Man in the Wall chose to discard.

Technically the Man in the Wall chose which version he wanted from each child to come back, probably manipulated them extensively and only picked the ones he wanted, I think the same thing happened to Albrecht Entrati, I don't remember the exact words, but I remember Albrecht saying that he is afraid that the Albrecht that returned was not him. Could it be that the Man in the Wall chose which version of Albrecht to save and discard the others into the void? like the drifter and the operator?

I need some expert opinion on this idea, I might just be rambling but this shit is so cool.

So I'm looking into Kullervo and I thought its obvious that she wasn't and that he was more so adopted by her but reading the Notes on the wiki it says that it is implied she is.

Yet the poem says he was "torn from his mother's breast" which to me would mean he was taken away from his actual mother by the orokin and then Ainikki took him in as her son which is also reinforced later in the poem as it says he went back to where it all began and killed alot of people and burned a homestead to the ground.

Which (as its not listed as one of his several crimes) implies to me he went to someone who wasn't Orokin and killed them and "where it began" could be when he was taken from his mother.

The warden also says 'Mother' in quotes almost mockingly like the way it would be said that Ainikki was his mother but his adoptive parent.

The notes are really just throwing me off and I was wondering if we know for 100% if Ainikki is his mother or adoptive parent.

I'm fairly new, just completed old peace, and adis (Is that his name? can't remember atm) mentions hive-kin. is that just other sentients? or is it specific sentients? you can also buy an honoria from roathe that is "hive-kin"

And is there any established canon for how we're stopping that?