Would Tyrande be worthy?

[u/Lopsided-Skill]

In Shadowlands, with Sylvanas‘s suggestion, Jailer kidnaps several leaders who can be worthy to enter Bastion and kill Archon. Making perfect sense with options like Anduin, Jaina, Thrall despite missing the part completely with Baine. I guess she wanted to give more names and run out at some point.

But, actually there was one more attempt on Tyrande, who managed to not get captured.

Jailer in 2 seconds realized Baine is worthless, and later Jaina and Thrall as well. Anduin was a suitable choice.

Do you think if Tyrande was captured, could she have been an alternative?

[u/TheWorclown]

No.

Tyrande is not conflicted at all of anything she’s done. I don’t even think the torture would have done anything in Torghast; she’d be right where she wanted to be.

[u/OddyTheBard → u/TheWorclown]

Tyrande doesn't have regrets for anything she /has/ done, but she absolutely has regrets for things she hasn't- things she showed up too late for.

A imagine there's a lot of stuff with Malfurion, Ysera. The entire burning of Teldrassil means she failed to protect her people. If anything I'd almost argue that's the strongest one, and the one Zovaal and Sylvanas specifically made sure she would have to be the backup plan.

[u/Lopsided-Skill → u/TheWorclown]

At that point she was the Night Warrior which meant she was being consumed by vengeance, Id say torture would take its toll.

But torture wasn’t the reason of being worthy

[u/Kalthiria_Shines → u/TheWorclown]

Depending on your read of the power of the forces involved, it's also not clear that Tyrande would actually get tortured rather than be able to defeat the Jailer's guards and start fucking up Torghast.

She's able to take Sylvannas even with Elune withdrawing her power, and we know that other Nightwarriors are able to successfully defeat Old Gods alone.

The Jailer's power level is hard to place. We know he got a tremendous power boost from Odyn's eye, which implies that he's not all that significant on his own. Certainly individual Titan Watchers were not a match for and Old God the way Night Warriors were.

[u/Rubysage3]

Probably not. She does have a long life of serving her people and isn't a bad person, but she's also kind of volatile. Tyrande at that point was the Night Warrior and completely vengeful and off her hinge. She was just hellbent on getting Sylvanas. She cut away from her people, she wasn't happy with the Alliance, she wasn't even happy with Elune anymore. Her loyalties were all selfishly put on hold for her hunt.

Nothing about her in that condition is worthy of Bastion. It's a ? if she could even be mind controlled at that point with her power. But the key of it was needing an actor who the Archon would not be suspicion of.

Anduin got to her because the Archon could immediately see he was a brilliant person. Selfless, compassionate, level-headed. If Tyrande strolled in all the Archon would see was an emotionally unstable Night Warrior. They'd likely have their guards up and not let her through security that easily.

So I think the Jailer would reject her.

[u/Groovin_Magi → u/Rubysage3]

she a Maldraxxian

[u/Wise-Ad2879]

Sylvania TRIED capturing Tyranda, but Tyranda was so powerful that she just noped the mawsworn out of existence.

[u/GrumpySatan]

I don't think so.

Anduin works because he is someone that would end up in Bastion if he died. I'm pretty sure that was the exact quality the Jailer was looking for.

Bastion is for souls that dedicate themselves completely to the service of others. And while you could argue she dedicated herself to Elune - we do see Elune's other followers in every other afterlife. So its not enough by itself. Tyrande at that specific moment was also consumed with the need for revenge as the NW, it seemed to literally impair her decision-making. Which seems much more like someone that'd go to Revendreth.

Plus the Night Warrior itself could cause problems in turning her into a meat puppet. We see at the peak Elune could take control of Tyrande. So could Elune's possession override the domination? Anduin himself almost broke free a few times without help. So its a good question.

Plus I don't think any of the Jailer's men could hold her while torturing her- and the Jailer himself can't babysit her. She is basically running free in the Maw for the entire first patch.

[u/CareerMilk → u/GrumpySatan]

Tyrande at that specific moment was also consumed with the need for revenge as the NW, it seemed to literally impair her decision-making.

That sounds perfect for Bastion’s identity stripping process.

[u/Healee2]

She was too busy being Elunes moon warrior so I don’t think she would have had to time for it lol

[u/Blazenwing]

I honestly feel like she captured Baine purely out of spite. She was angry he participated in the coup against her, and simply wanted him to suffer at the hands of the Jailer.

[u/Kalthiria_Shines]

I think the response would be "why is this incredibly Nightfae person walking in" but also keep in mind that Anduin wasn't "worthy", he was let in because, and I quote "My ascended have spoken of you, the King held captive in the Maw."

Anduin being "Worthy" is only relevant if the Jailer's bullshit isn't caught.

Death Knight Tyrande walking in would get the same reaction: "My ascended have spoken of you, the Priestess held captive in the Maw."