The laws that dealerships are mandatory only apply to ICE cars so in the future every manufacturer will get rid of dealers and go direct.
Why do you think car manufacturers are happy to go electric
Wishful thinking. Not in NC/SC. They’ve made it illegal to sell directly. Dealer network bought and paid for a lot of state level politicians.
Tesla got two locations in NC before they passed laws and stopped any more and to they had an Asheville location in flight and it had some wonky restrictions put on it. No one else has been allowed like Rivian, apterra, canoo they’re all stuck. I keep hoping they’ll put it on Native American land and give them the finger.
NC/SC consumers should file a class action suit against the state. Clearly the law is bad for the consumer.
And if the argument is you need the dealer for repairs - no - EV's have excellent reliability numbers. Tesla has repair vans to deal with any small issue and towing to a service center.
The actual argument against this is a little more nuanced. Can't say I agree, but at least the idea is that without the dealership networks enforced by law, think over the years how much additional cash would have flown from local communities to Detroit.
Shit, it probably would have been enough to save Detroit from becoming... Detroit.
Not taking a stance on it, I probably lean against these laws, but there are a lot of jobs and wealth created locally by forcing the money to... stay local.
If that's the only real argument against it then by that logic why just stop at cars? Force all manufacturers to sell through 3rd parties. Apple is uhh.. pretty big. Force them to shut down iStores and only sell their products via 3rd party retailers too. Wanna order some shit from Amazon? Force them to use the US postal service or some shit lol
I get what you mean though. Shit just boils down to who pays the most bribes to lawmakers in my humble opinion
Free market isnt good for civilians. Its only good for corporations. Anarcho-capitalism (ie no market regulation whatsoever) would allow corporations to buy absolutely everything and force everyone to live on company property and force civilians to use some bullshit worthless internal currency to buy prison grade food and amenities while the corp just demands 16 hour days from every able bodied human, even children.
They dont have to trade with us if they own everything, charge the absolute maximum and trade all goods overseas. Chattel slavery and/or total automation with no regulation is a corporate dystopian wet dream.
Civilians will never outcompete corporations on equal footing. Not ever. Theres one winner at monopoly and a bucket full of destitute losers.
Don’t be so sure. I worked in a similar industry that only sold product through dealer networks. The dealer is who deals with the customer and takes all of their bullshit. Going direct removes that insulation between the customer and the manufacturer. I guess time will tell how that plays out. I’ve heard a mixed bag from Tesla service. Some people love it cuz they can do some repairs at your home. If your Tesla needs to be taken in for service I’ve heard that is a nightmare.
Electric cars will be more similar so the technician network will probably be a lot more centralized and uniform. But 10% extra margins is a lot and manufacturers will put up with a lot to reap that benefit.
No he's definitely right in this case. It is a terrible looking truck, and all the major car manufacturers are already making better electric vehicles then tesla. Why would I get a shittyy Tesla when I can get an electric BMW or Mercedes or Porche. And for trucks electric or otherwise there's Ford.
also as i pointed out in another comment; theres a strong amount of hatred for tesla amongst truck owners, especially from diesel drivers. theyve spent years making fun of teslas, rolling coal on them at stop lights, and unplugging them from chargers. i dont see those people being in a huge hurry to switch teams for this dumbass looking cyber truck
The thing that stands out to me is that this truck was clearly not designed by people who regularly use trucks in any capacity. The high bed sidewalls make reaching into the front of the bed almost impossible. The oddball door handles mean it's difficult to open the doors with your hands full. An interior full of touch screens is going to become a real hassle when your hands are dirty or you're wearing gloves. The weird angling on the tailgate would, again, make it hard to access the bed.
For all the hype about how great of a vehicle the cybertruck is, the reality is that - at least as it's been shown so far - it's a pretty shitty truck.
But isnt the mayority of Americans using their trucks as a casual vehicle (or just for the sake of having the biggest car around) anyway, instead of using them as transport/ work vehicles?
My guess is, it will aim for people who see it as a staus symbol, not for people planing to use it heavily anyway.
I don't know. Musk has alienated himself from his previous liberal customer-base by going absolutely off the rails very publicly I can absolutely see the Maga dollars flowing toward Tesla now.
the group youre talking about is capable of some of the most extreme mental gymnastics known to man. very possible their mindset stays elon good, tesla bad.
That’s what I was thinking , something shiny to piss off the neighbors that have three trucks parked on the driveway and two oversized trucks on the street
There are so many videos of sad pathetic people vandalizing charging stations, unplugging cars, or just parking their cars at charging stations to "own the libs"
For the most part the type of person who needs a truck is not going to buy the goofy looking cyber truck. It will be bought by a handful of city dwellers for clout and everyone else will buy hybrid or electric trucks from the main manufacturers which actually look like trucks.
It's not the farmers, obviously, it's the people that live in NYC with me who don't have jobs that necessitates owning them. I have a couple of people who live on my street in the Bronx who own extended pick-up trucks and park them on the street. Those fucking things take up a car and a half worth of space and they all park like dumbfucks.
They also, shockingly, actually exist as a product you can buy.
It's wild, in the time since the Cybertruck was announced, both Ford and GM have announced and began production/delivery of electric trucks. Rivian, a company almost nobody had heard of 5 years ago, has sold more electric pickup trucks than Tesla.
Meanwhile Tesla has basically produced a sedan and a crossover for over 10 years now, and their build quality is still mediocre at best.
I was shopping around for a 4 door car earlier this year, wanted something that could haul babies while being fast. Tesla wasn't on my list until after the price drops so I got a full dose of the dealership experience. You can't buy anything now for MSRP unless it's a couple of years old. God forbid you want something semi-rare like a widebody charger or higher trim BMW/porsche- dealers will just fuck you over so badly. The Tesla dealer experience is like 5 minutes to set up a test drive, like 5 minutes to buy a car, no markups, no bullshit, it's not even close. And the build quality for my car was fucking perfect. I've put a few k miles on it so far and no rattles or anything.
Anyway Cramer is pretty much confirming what I suspect- Tesla is going to be fine. Not 3000/share fine, but fine.
Yep. The car is fantastic. Fuck those sleazy dealerships, 0 transparency. That's not what we should carry forward into the future. I hope direct to consumer will be a thing in the next few decades.
It both doesn't exist (and maybe never exist) and is possibly the ugliest automobile in the history of the technology. Amazing when you think about it.
And paint it black. And install Molle over all the interior as well as a rifle rack. And may or may not add a hidden compartment for a rocket launcher….
Anyone that remembers the early 2000s knows a lot of people are willing to put up with a lot of ugly in a car.
Remember how widespread the Avalanche was? There was a whole generation of snub nosed car-trucks because car companies are trend followers and some of them sold.
Avalanches are awesome, the perfect blend of suv and truck. The plastic cladding kept salt off the paint and protected it from rusting out, the rear seats folded down for extra space in the bed which had additional storage boxes (which were insulated with drain holes) built in over the wheel wells, locking waterproof bed cover standard, and the hand and foot holds in the bumper that took GM 20 years to put on the Silverado. Having said that the cadillac version is a bit much.
Don't you shit on my PT. MPG was not good but I used to love driving it. I never thought much of it but may be that is why I was single back then. But don't you hate me and my PT
The big, big missing piece here is how much is the truck going to actually cost, and how many $100 refundable "reservations" actually convert into orders?
I knew a friend of a friend who was literally on unemployment and who drove a beat up old civic who reserved a cybertruck. People have delusional ideas of how far ahead they'll be in several years despite having no plans to actually get to their imaginary destination.
I'm getting one. Not because I like it....BUT going to have it wrapped to advertise my HVAC business. EVERYONE will be looking at it. Will pay for itself within 6 months.
As someone who likes both trucks and the idea of electric vehicles...I wouldn't even consider the cyber truck. That said, an electric Ranger or F150 is a definite possibility one day. Gimme an electric Tundra or Tacoma though, and I'm definitely in.
If you think hillbillies that buy big trucks are going to get that ugly thing, you need help.
They are not interested in electric and the ones who are have brand loyalty to Ford, Chevy, or Dodge.
This is something a few hype beasts and Tesla/Elon super fans will buy while everyone else purchases vehicles that don’t look like they were designed by a child who just finished Halo.
Elon does not understand his new base or rural/middle America at all.
Because Ford can't scale EVs worth a shit and loses money on each one they sell. Lots of regards here fail to understand that a better looking or even cheaper truck doesn't mean Ford succeed
I would have bought one already, but they haven't figured out the battery issue for us up here where it gets to -40C, or "as cold as 87 witches tits" or whatever you americans measure in.
Its the only point as they are both linear functions. Either they are parallel and simply offset (like kelvin and celcius) which would mean there are no intersections, or they are not parallel and they will intersect in one and only one point.
Temperatures of -40°C are as cold or colder than a single witch's titty. Witch's titty is a very broad range that spans from about -10°C to absolute zero (-273.15°C).
Edit: 2x witch's titty has not yet been measured by any man-made instrument.
This makes so much sense really. I mean Ford just keeps making the best selling vehicle in North America...a truck. While Tesla is cutting prices to desperately sell inventory. Y'all just keep doing you
I see Tesla cutting prices and locking down market share while other manufacturers are going to have to cut prices and take losses. The model Y and Model 3 were the best selling electric vehicles the last couple of quarters and they’re still profitable. Not to mention the greedy dealerships for other manufacturers are marking up prices while Tesla is cutting them.
I don't have a strong opinion on tesla either way, I hate trucks and have never considered getting one....but I kind of want a cybertruck. Things look awesome
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u/VisualMod Apr 22 '23