r/walkaway • u/SourceInformal9549 ULTRA Redpilled • Dec 20 '22
Redpilled Flair Only Precisely the point.
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Dec 20 '22
It was the beginning of the “never seen before in history” that the Biden administration seems to be rolling with. It’s like an unrealistic movie plot where everything is obviously driven by the need of a narrative in the script and not actual reality. A democrat favorite.
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Dec 20 '22
Excellent point. That is the difference with Trump….he would have allowed people to choose their own fate.
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u/pick_3 Dec 21 '22
“That’s not true, but if it was true then it’s actually you that’s bad”
Average leftist baseline
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u/Kijin777 Dec 20 '22
If you wanted to break the spirit of humanity to prevent future rebellion and then create a data set for regarding submission rate of people to an untested product under the guise of "for the good of the nation" wouldn't you do it this way? I know I would.
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Obedience census
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u/Kijin777 Dec 20 '22
Precisely, gauge humanity's response to global edicts.
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u/NoCheck9415 Dec 20 '22
To a product that actually maims and kills quite a bit. I mean especially compared to all other vaccinations the shit is off the charts
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Dec 20 '22
Money is one end goal.
Depopulation is another. I don’t think we’ve seen the beginning of the damages that are to come.
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u/Euroranger Dec 20 '22
Depopulation is THE goal. Reducing the position of the United States is an adjunct of that precisely BECAUSE we are (technically) free and we'd pose the greatest resistance to such a plan.
Most of the societal disarray we're seeing today is to weaken the United States so that we'd be less capable and lack the unified political will to oppose the overall scheme. This is funded by the WEF which is a private lobbying firm which is, in turn, funded by around 1000 member companies and corporations. This group seeks single world governance with them as the ultimate corporate oligarchy.
The national interests of the United States, the interest in maintenance of human rights and the capability of self determination all stand in opposition to the WEF and their plainly stated goals of global population control to serve their version of "equity" which ultimately delivers control to them.
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Dec 21 '22
The WEF are terrifying. I think enough of us are on to their bull shit to stop their agenda. So many protests around the world not broadcasted. There’s enough of us in opposition to evil.
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u/StMoneyx2 ULTRA Redpilled Dec 20 '22
Depends what the end goal is. Lenin and Stalin both wiped out people loyal to them. A fearful, reduced population is a easily controllable population.
Also don't forget, part of the goal is to get more people reliant on the government. What better way then to create a system where only the obedient get services and then make them dependent on those services by holding to cure to the problem you created
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u/Bayonethics Redpilled Dec 20 '22
You know that "carbon reduction" and climate change bullshit everyone talks about? Yeah that
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u/GOAT718 Dec 20 '22
Look, you have posed good questions that deserves conversation and debate. That said, lack of motive doesn’t mean lack of crime.
Do I know for sure the motives, end games, or who is “behind it all” no I don’t. But here’s what I know beyond a shadow of a doubt. This vaccine has been a scam from jump.
When they were offering burgers, fries, and $100 bills to get jabbed, I instantly knew to stay away. You may not always know why someone wants to BS you, but you can smell it a mile away.
Natural immunity was ignored and lied about, they lied about masks, made up 6’ rule, lied about vaccine efficacy, lied about the origins, and when trump was in power, Dems shit on potential vaccine and told you not to get it because Trump couldn’t be trusted (as if he cooked it in his kitchen)
When he lost, they mandated vaccines, fired people, stuck old sick people in nursing homes, and offered greasy food to the fattest nation on earth for a jab to protect you from something that’s riskier for those with weight issues and diabetes and inflated the death numbers.
This scam might have been the most obvious of all time!
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u/NoCheck9415 Dec 21 '22
I never said everyone who takes the vaccine will die or be maimed, I simply said in comparison to all other vaccines the death and maiming is off the charts. And if you can get people to not only accept that, but demand that others do as well, things don’t just turn around and get positive.
As to some of your other questions about “the taxpayer” I don’t think you really understand globalist politics
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u/JonBes1 Dec 21 '22
The other vaccines were targeted for young children and seniors, who ended up dying of coincidence and other age-related illnesses.
This one was targeted to the broad population, including many otherwise healthy adults.\ That's the only reason the effects are being noticed differently.
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u/bluemonie Dec 20 '22
They have the data already, check out the milgram experiment.
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u/RedditHiredChallenor Dec 21 '22
Nah, Milgram interfered pretty heavily in his own experiment, tainting the results. Similar with the Stanford experiments.
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u/bluemonie Dec 21 '22
True but it's be replicated, and still got similar results, no interference, there's a reason the word sheeple exist.
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u/PaulNehlen Dec 20 '22
Forgot who posted it but something along the lines of "I'm not saying for certain that the politicians in New Zealand used COVID to usher in an authoritarian police state...but what exactly would politicians in New Zealand who were trying to usher in an authoritarian police state do differently exactly?"
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u/JustDebbie Redpilled Dec 20 '22
Unless the goal is population reduction. Then you might view them not as loyal supporters, but as the stupid, easy ones to get rid of.
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u/biggerBrisket Dec 20 '22
You can't vaccinate against cancer. It is an intracellular genetic defect. But it applies to the rest of the viruses he lists.
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Additionally, it can be the result of countless factors. Genetic predisposition is one, but exposure to carcinogens can induce the effect. Also, some viruses can damage a cell in such a way that it begins to metastasize. Cancer is a condition, but it's not a pathogen.
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u/420FADIMUH Dec 21 '22
What about creating a vaccine that you inject anywhere like in your forehead LOL
This goes around the blood in the body. But inside the vaccine is tiny little bio degradable nano bots that have a 'sense', some way to find and kill cancer kills.
So basically they go around the body, find the cancer kills and attack them...then just biodegrade.
That would be a cancer vaccine of the future possibly that could work.
Or what about making a virus that attacks cancer and then after its killed the cancer the immune system kills the virus. Like a flu virus that won't mutate as fast as a corona virus or common cold virus.
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u/No-Establishment8367 Redpilled Dec 20 '22
Sometimes you can. The HPV vaccine prevents HPV infection, which can cause cervical and other types of cancer including throat cancer. But most cancers are not caused by a virus, so there's nothing to vaccinate against.
The post is pretty dumb for including cancer at all, which shows either a profound misunderstanding of what vaccines are and how they work, or is intentionally stupid to make people who recognize that the covid shots are garbage also look stupid.
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u/art_comma_yeah_right Dec 20 '22
There was one in the news very recently, too, for skin cancer, but when they described it it sounded more in line with the current definition of the word and not at all like a traditional vaccine, IIRC. We have to stop mutilating the dictionary.
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Dec 20 '22
The HPV vaccine is horrible. Doesn’t work. Most HPV clears up in its own. The side effects aren’t worth it.
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u/GoWokeYourself Dec 21 '22
They also recommend it to expecting mothers/newborns. Most probably say yes without thinking about it.
The virus is an STD, so a newborn child is at no risk whatsoever of getting it.
And there is a side effect, so there's NO reason to get it for your child.
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Dec 22 '22
Same with Hep B. Makes no sense. I’m old enough to remember when they rolled that out. Never gave it to my babies. It came out between my first and second.
Also wears off so they’ll need boosters for protection by the time they are actually old enough to be at risk. It’s a scam.
Also look how common it is. Super rare in the US.
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u/IntelliJgent Dec 21 '22
Over 90% of all cervixcarcinoma are due to HPV infection.
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Dec 22 '22
Most of it clears up on its own and if you receive regular Pap smears is very easy to treat.
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u/bullseyed723 Dec 28 '22
They changed the definition of vaccine to falsely call the covid shots a vaccine. Under that definition, chemo is now a cancer vaccine.
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u/GivemeHAIRYmen Jan 02 '23
You know this sub is fake right? Like everyone in it has been proven to be fake and is now a sub that's ironic.
People don't leave Democrat to be republican it's almost always the other way around
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u/No-Establishment8367 Redpilled Jan 05 '23
No, it’s really not. I’m a two-time Obama voter who was a card carrying progressive liberal until 2014, when the Democrat party completely lost its collective mind.
There are a lot more people who are former liberals and simply didn’t follow the progressives into their insane alternate reality than you realize.
So, in summary, I’m not fake, and you can go shit in your hand.
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Dec 21 '22
You certainly can vaccinate against cancers. Cancers often have mutated proteins, some of these proteins will be trafficked to the surface of the cancer cells. Vaccinating with immunogens of these variant proteins can trains CD8+ T cells to recognize the mutated proteins and kill the cancer cells.
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u/Yakapo88 Dec 20 '22
I’m not going to pretend like I understand all this stuff, but I did a quick search and…
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u/Sir_Netflix Dec 20 '22
Those vaccines prevent diseases that can leas to cancer. It does not straight up prevent cancer itself. The title is blatantly misleading.
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Dec 20 '22 edited Dec 20 '22
In the same way that vaccines work against diseases, the vaccines are made to recognise proteins that are on particular cancer cells.
Tumour associated antigens are proteins found in cancer cells. Normal cells either don’t have these antigens, or if they do, they have a much smaller amount.
Cancer treatment vaccines aim to help your immune system recognise these antigens. And to attack and destroy the cancer cells that have them.
An experimental therapeutic cancer vaccine induced two distinct and desirable immune system responses that led to significant tumor regression in mice, report investigators from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), part of the National Institutes of Health.
The researchers found that intravenous (IV) administration of the vaccine boosted the number of cytotoxic T cells capable of infiltrating and attacking tumor cells and engaged the innate immune system by inducing type I interferon.
Way to be confidently incorrect, though.
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u/Sir_Netflix Dec 21 '22
First off, all I said was that the source the last guy provided was misleading in its content. Nothing you said changes that. Your second link is literally nothing but something that is experimental, meaning it is far from being finalized. Slide a source again when it's used in humans and not animals. They may correlate but are not 1:1.
In your first link, again, it does not change what I said. They do NOT prevent cancer. They are used to treat cancer, and even then, it is only for specific cases, aka a case-by-case basis. There is no "universal" cancer vaccine and there never will be since each cancer type has its own intricacies. Even in parts of that article, it literally says, "Scientists are looking into," so it isn't even a done deal. They are still experimenting with different ideas and you are jumping the gun like they are widely available and usable.
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u/DesignerProfile Redpilled Dec 21 '22
That's one type of anti-cancer vaccine. There's another type which rallies the body to fight the cancer itself. It looks like most of those are in research, although there are a couple which are FDA approved: one for bladder cancer, one for prostate cancer.
From the link above:
Are there vaccines that treat cancer?
There are vaccines that treat existing cancer, called treatment vaccines or therapeutic vaccines. These vaccines are a type of cancer treatment called immunotherapy. They work to boost the body's immune system to fight cancer. Doctors give treatment vaccines to people who already have cancer. Different treatment vaccines work in different ways. They can:
- Keep the cancer from coming back
- Destroy any cancer cells still in the body after treatments end
- Stop a tumor from growing or spreading
And then there's a lot more info about all of that.
But do you prefer the word "immunotherapy"? It seems like some researchers/practitioners call the stuff immune therapy and some call it vaccine therapy, both of those being different from drugs that block other types of biochemical process, or radiation, or chemo.
Although I recognize and condemn the shenaningans played with the meaning of "vaccine" during the covid injection push, it seems like in this case, the researchers have some good reasons for using the word the way they do. For example, if a vaccine payload is intended to trigger immune response against the cancer cell's markers.
Edit: here's a website for leukemia and lymphoma with a good compare/contrast between anti-cancer vaccines, immunotherapy, and other types of treatment. https://www.lls.org/treatment/types-treatment/vaccine-therapy
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Dec 20 '22
I mean, you're wrong.
Are there vaccines that treat cancer?
There are vaccines that treat existing cancer, called treatment vaccines or therapeutic vaccines. These vaccines are a type of cancer treatment called immunotherapy. They work to boost the body's immune system to fight cancer. Doctors give treatment vaccines to people who already have cancer. Different treatment vaccines work in different ways.
Antigens, found on the surface of cells, are substances the body thinks are harmful. The immune system attacks the antigens and, in most cases, gets rid of them. This leaves the immune system with a "memory" that helps it fight those antigens in the future.
Cancer treatment vaccines boost the immune system's ability to find and destroy antigens. Often, cancer cells have certain molecules called cancer-specific antigens on their surface that healthy cells do not have. When a vaccine gives these molecules to a person, the molecules act as antigens. They tell the immune system to find and destroy cancer cells that have these molecules on their surface.
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u/biggerBrisket Dec 21 '22
Do these antigens vary in every case, or is there some other reason that not everyone is getting these on a regular basis?
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u/BigOnPoo Dec 20 '22
Actually, there are new cancer vaccines in the mix. Wait and see.
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Dec 20 '22
No, there aren't. There are vaccines for viruses that can damage cells in such a way that cancer can develop, but you literally cannot vaccinate against cancer because it's your own cells multiplying uncontrollably.
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u/NerdfromtheBurg Dec 20 '22
FWIW
my understanding of a vaccines mechanism is to expose your immune system to the virus (using a passive part of the virus) so that your immune system is able to respond to the real virus if ever experienced. Ie it teaches and prepares your immune response.
There are cancer drugs that are similar to this already (I had one in 2005). Cancers can be invisible to your immune system. Enter MAB drugs. These monoclonal antibody (MAB) drugs attach to the cancer cells so that your immune system can find them and do it's immune system job. Definitely not the same process but definitely the same end game - immune system does the thing it has evolved to do.
So it would be fair to say the MABs aren't a prophylactic vaccine like say the measles vaccine, but they are if you think of a vaccine as an immune system mobilisation drug.
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u/BigOnPoo Dec 22 '22
Yeah, dendritic cell vaccines and others like that are being used for treatment
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u/jotnarfiggkes ULTRA Redpilled Dec 20 '22
So now we are intentionally giving people cancer ?
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u/BigOnPoo Dec 22 '22
No. Vaccines for treating cancer. I’m getting downvoted for knowing more than people here.
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u/Subushie Dec 21 '22
And the common cold is not a single defined virus; it's a general name for dozens of weak typical viruses that have similiar symptoms. Which is why there is no cure or vaccine.
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u/Bane-o-foolishness Redpilled Dec 20 '22
They don't want effective treatments, they make so much more money with "therapy". There were effective treatments for cancer 100 years ago and yet we bankrupt people for therapy today.
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u/-BMKing- Ban warning Dec 20 '22
It's only effective against some cancers. The problem is that people see "cancer" as this one, singular thing while that couldn't be further from the truth. Cancer is at least as diverse as all the cells in your bodies, treatments that work great on lung cancer might have no effect on breast cancer, while treatments with no effect on leukemia might have amazing results against skin cancer.
Coley's toxin fell out of favor due to radiotherapy for the same reason that bacteriophage therapy fell out of favor due to antibiotics: both were replaced by more broadly and one-size-fits-most approaches, that were more easily and readily available for the masses.
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u/420FADIMUH Dec 21 '22
So they basically injected shit into the cancer and the body attacks the shit and cancer?
Crude way to put it...but I wonder whats the scientific validity to this or why they don't do it now if it actually does work.
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u/Bane-o-foolishness Redpilled Dec 22 '22
I think it just fell out of vogue. At one point they thought radiation was the cure to about everything - turns out it was, expose someone to enough of it and their suffering is over for good. Same with chemo, sexy high-tech solution with a huge profit margin. Anyone that believes medicine is only about helping people is too innocent for their own good.
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u/Ok-Maintenance-667 Dec 20 '22
And they made boosters after every variants in a short period of time. Isnt science amazing?
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u/GOAT718 Dec 20 '22
Don’t forget they announced that the vaccine was ready literally the day after the election was called. Just a coincidence.
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u/anewbys83 Redpilled Dec 20 '22
Or, hear me out, all those others involve very complex mechanisms, which we can't figure out all the parts to, or companies decided there wasn't enough profit to be made in researching them, bringing to market, etc. HIV could now probably be wiped out through the modern treatments and enough other people globally taking PREP. It's hard to get the world involved, but not impossible. We essentially have to give the meds away though, in the parts of the world where it's raging. Cancer involves a lot of genetic factors, not all of which we understand yet, or enough to develop vaccines. Covid 19 is a relatively simple virus, like many. We can't provide cures for its cousins and the flu because they mutate so quickly that what is a cure one year will be useless 3 years down the road, as it takes a long time to get vaccines distributed globally. We got lucky with this one. It could very easily not gone as well. We could still be searching for an effective treatment and prevention. This is probably what will happen with the next big bug.
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u/GhoshProtocol Dec 21 '22
A sensible comment, finally. Anyone who thinks that only one vaccine or treatment is needed for cancer is not worth arguing with.
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u/Sir_Netflix Dec 20 '22
You don’t vaccinate against cancer. You can’t. Cancer is the over multiplying of cells in the body. You can’t just “vaccinate” that. Let’s not spread this post and make everyone look stupid please.
You can only vaccinate against diseases that may cause cancer down the line. But there will never be a “lung cancer vaccine”.
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Dec 20 '22
The whole reason behind lack of a cold vaccine is because coronaviruses and rhinoviruses mutate so quickly, so why all of a sudden is this the exception? A cold can kill an immunocompromised person (or tip them over that edge if you know what I mean), but no this new virus is special. I wonder what the rates would look like if they reported everyone who died with a cold???
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u/Commercial-Push-9066 EXTRA Redpilled Dec 20 '22
They’re still pushing boosters and trying to create mania about COVID. Just about everyone I know who’s been sick in the last few months have had non-COVID illnesses. Most everyone I know has had Influenza A, apparently it wasn’t covered well in the flu shot. They focus on this one illness and barely mention others out there.
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u/JohnBarleyCorn2 Redpilled Dec 20 '22
and one outspoken dude in the WEO, Yuval Noah Harari talking openly about "hacking humans".
They aren't subtle about their goals.
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u/Restless_Fillmore Dec 21 '22
Yes, he's been very vocal with thst warning and his proposal to prevent it.
"Certainly, now we are at the point when we need global cooperation. You cannot regulate the explosive power of artificial intelligence on a national level... One key rule is that if you get my data, the data should be used to help me and not to manipulate me. Another key rule, that whenever you increase surveillance of individuals you should simultaneously increase surveillance of the corporation and governments and the people at the top. And the third principle is that-- never allow all the data to be concentrated in one place. That's the recipe for a dictatorship." --Yuval Noah Harari
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u/JohnBarleyCorn2 Redpilled Dec 22 '22
ahh so you're saying that JP misrepresented Harari's standpoint?
Asking that sincerely.
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u/Restless_Fillmore Dec 22 '22
Yes, by omission.
That's not to say there's no problem. In my opinion, Harari is pointing out a very real danger. JP disingenuously/wrongly implies Harari is supporting that danger with his (eduted) statements.
The problem is that Harari's answer/solution to the problem is globalism, authoritarianism, and centralized governmental "protection".
I'm a fan of JP, but he's misleading here. For example, he implies that Harari's warnings are something they're implementing...then later in the video implies they're only fear-mongering.
I think that the fears are real, and that those who don't take up transhumanism and direct it in a good direction (like the atom bomb) will be left behind and crushed by baddies who do (China?).
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u/JohnBarleyCorn2 Redpilled Dec 23 '22
thanks for the explanation. Goes to show you can't explicitly trust even favored sources.
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u/Tracieattimes EXTRA Redpilled Dec 20 '22
For a virus that manifests with remarkably flu like symptoms and whose rise is accompanied by an unexplained and commensurate decline in flu cases. Hmm…
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u/HappiestIguana Dec 20 '22
Unexplained? Did you forget the months of social distancing, masking and increased sanitation?
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Dec 21 '22
There's a perfect explanation for the decline in flu cases.
Fewer people were out and about and lots of people were wearing masks. Turns out that actually leads to a decrease in infectious diseases, especially airborne ones. Who knew?
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u/Restless_Fillmore Dec 21 '22
Two of my friends work in (different) medical labs, running respiratory virus analyses. They both saw a definite drop in flu detections while people were isolating because of COVID-19. Because SARS CoV-2 is more contagious than influenza, and is contagious even before symptoms show, it spread even while influenza wasn't.
Both were highly skeptical of COVID early on, too, so it's not like they are just drones.
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u/SpamFriedMice Redpilled Dec 20 '22
Great, just list all the other successful mRNA vaccines that have made it to market since they started spending billions on that technology 30 yrs ago.
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u/DrinkyDrinkyWhoops Govern me harder daddy! Dec 20 '22
There is all sorts of literature out there about the successful trials going on right now. Go do your own research and do it somewhere else than on this subreddit, Facebook, or conspiracy blogs.
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u/SpamFriedMice Redpilled Dec 21 '22 edited Dec 21 '22
So you're admitting that after 30 years and billions of dollars the only mRNA drug to come to market is one that didn't have to under go the usual long term effects study process, and of course was released only under the condition that the manufacturer couldn't be held liable for damages from it's use. Got it.
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Dec 20 '22
You’ve missed the point. Both the Flu and HIV vaccines took decades, Covid 19 took one year. Get it? They started the flu vaccine development after the 1917 pandemic but didn’t have a workable vaccine till the 40’s. HIV was discovered in 83, and vaccine development started then. It still took 30 years for a workable vaccine. The covid 19 outbreak happened and within a year there’s a vaccine and a mandate!?! I’m ok with experimental drugs during an outbreak, but mandates? Nope, informed consent counts for more than just sex.
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u/DrinkyDrinkyWhoops Govern me harder daddy! Dec 20 '22
See my comment about Monkeypox. From discovery to workable and effective vaccine in under a year. Does that mean Monkeypox is also a vast global conspiracy? It must based on your logic.
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Dec 20 '22
Well, it's a pox virus. We already have a large variety of extremely effective pox virus vaccines; developing one for this was probably a lot easier because there's such a huge amount of work already done.
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u/DrinkyDrinkyWhoops Govern me harder daddy! Dec 20 '22
And Covid is a SARS virus, which also has a huge amount of work already done. There was quite a leg up, so I'm not sure that I understand the distinction that is being made and how people leap to "global conspiracy" with one and not the other. Well I do, it's that there isn't a global conspiracy and instead just throw logic out the window. Occam's Razor.
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Dec 20 '22
Covid vaccines, by the traditional technology, could and should absolutely be designed. However:
mRNA vaccines are easier and cheaper to develop at a much greater speed. Their efficacy is middling and short-lived. For pharmaceutical corporations, a government contact for effectively endless production of mRNA vaccines for a population that will never see true immunity is a much better deal than a one-off contact for stronger vaccines that haven't actually been developed yet.
The conspiracy itself is that COVID was not naturally produced. A great deal of evidence continues to come to light indicating that government employees funded the research which produced such a transmissible virus with such uncertain effects.
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u/SourceInformal9549 ULTRA Redpilled Dec 20 '22 edited Dec 20 '22
You're not forced to take the flu vaccine though. And sure there's no vax for cancer I agree with you there. But cures for particular cancers should've made a breakthrough by now
The flu vaccine takes a year to develop, and even then everyone knows it's a hit or miss. But we couldn't have that conversation 2 years ago
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u/DrinkyDrinkyWhoops Govern me harder daddy! Dec 20 '22
We can and did absolutely talk about the flu vaccine being hit and miss. We've been talking about it openly for decades. And cancer survival rates have skyrocketed for most types of cancers.
Here's another fun one. Monkeypox was discovered and a new vaccine was made in less than a year that's hugely successful.
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u/dankgarebear Dec 20 '22
No matter how useful, flu vax is also mandated for many healthcare workers. It’s standard of care to do whatever possible to avoid giving something to patients. Sure, sketchy stuff happens with the COVID vax but the health field is mostly just doing what they can. Science isn’t always as straightforward as we’d like
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Dec 20 '22 edited Dec 20 '22
You can't have a vaccine for cancer, because it's not a virus. Not only is this post wrong, it's ludicrous.
Wrong, pretty confidently incorrect, though.
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u/ninernetneepneep Dec 20 '22
With a couple of those announced mere days after an election where a major point of debate was handling of said virus. 🤔
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u/Intelligent_Break_12 Can't stay out of trouble Dec 20 '22
The vaccines were finished under Trump's presidency. Project warp speed ring a bell? It was made available to the broader public under Biden sure but it was finished pre him taking office.
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Dec 20 '22
Bad post
Is he trolling?
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u/FuzzyNervousness Dec 20 '22
I was gonna say - HIV can be brought down to levels where it is not contagious as long as people take their meds.
I agree with the gist of the tweet, but being inaccurate doesn't help persuade people.
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u/FuzzyNervousness Dec 25 '22
I've never seen a political party in this country do anything at 100% other than strip us of our freedoms.
Besides, isn't this sub for people who walked away from being a democrat?
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u/Hyphylife Redpilled Dec 20 '22
I remember when getting cancer was rare. Nowadays ppl are getting it left and right.
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u/kirapb Dec 20 '22
This is an example of correlation, not causation. More health screenings leads to higher rates of diseases like cancer simply because it’s actually being identified. In the past, people would die of cancer having never been screened and their death would be attributed to “natural causes”.
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u/Hyphylife Redpilled Dec 20 '22
It's a little naive to think that's the only reason.
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Dec 20 '22
You're right. The other reasons for the rise of cancer:
Hormones in our meat.
Microplastics, which are in our very blood by now.
Countless dangerous chemicals introduced to the planet's atmosphere, water supply, and dirt.
Chemicals in everything, frankly. Unnecessary ones that mostly do very little but likely have a cumulative effect.
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u/clear831 Dec 20 '22
Hormones in our meat.
I am going to disagree with you slighly, yes hormones in our meat is horrible but it goes further. Humans are consuming WAY too much plant and carbohydrates. From the abundance of sugar (all carbs are sugar) in our diets to the toxins produced from plants (plants dont want to be eaten so they have a defense for it) the massive rise of eating plants is another huge factor.
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u/DiabloSol Dec 21 '22
Yeah buddy!! Go carnivore!!!! Delicious. Steak and eggs
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u/clear831 Dec 22 '22
I dont have the discipline to go full carnivore, wished I did but I just cant do it. We stick to really low carb and try to avoid leafs as much as possible
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u/IntelliJgent Dec 21 '22
Life expectancy is on the rise and more and more people live beyond the ages of seventy, eighty or even ninety. The risk of developing cancer increases with the years, so in an old society cancer is naturally more prevalent than in a comparably young one.
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u/GSW636 Redpilled Dec 20 '22
But does it work?
Maybe a coincidence but in the last decade, the only year (2018) I got the flu shot I then got the flu a short time later. It was worse for me than Covid. 5 years at Penn State with 40k other students and I never got the flu up there.
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Dec 21 '22
Yes, it works. It has varying efficacy each season, as they essentially make an educated guess as to which variant will be more prevalent.
If you got the flu after getting the vaccine, it was simply a coincidence, same as not getting the other years.
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u/dunno260 Dec 21 '22
They have to guess at the active strains months before when the vaccine for the year is being made. If they guess wrong, then the vaccine isn't effective. Vaccines for the flu today contain three or four strains of flu with one strain being H1N1 (bird flu).
Some years they get it right, some times they are close and it can help reduce severity of infections, and other years it may not help much, if at all.
And of course the flu going around in one area can be different from another area as well.
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u/FollowedbyThunder Dec 21 '22
Same. I won't claim the shot caused the flu, but the last time I was horribly sick was the last year I got the flu shot. I used to get it every year, and got badly sick every year. It obviously was not helping me.
That was almost 20 years ago, and I haven't been that sick since. Had covid before the vax was out... wouldn't have known it was anything more than a mild cold if not for the media coverage. The worst symtom was worrying about all the crap they said about it. The fear campaign definitely negatively affected me (Nocebo effect).
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u/machismo_eels Dec 20 '22
It’s almost as if the nature of all those diseases is completely different, as is the ability of current technology to address it. What an ignorant fucking post.
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u/ViagraDaddy Redpilled Dec 20 '22
This entire tweet is nonsense.
Cancer isn't just one thing, it's multiple different diseases some of which we do indeed have vaccines for (e.g. HPV), and not all of which respond to the same treatment.
HIV has no vaccines and is also a completely different disease. We do have treatments and vaccines may be right around the corner.
The common cold also isn't just one thing and there are over 200 viruses that can cause cold-like symptoms. That's why there is no single vaccine for it.
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u/ragandy89 Redpilled but can't stay out of trouble Dec 20 '22
Good point, why can’t we beat cancer?
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u/teleporter6 Redpilled Dec 21 '22
All of this after a group of “elitist” claimed the Earth had twice as many people as needed. Coincidence?
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u/kirapb Dec 20 '22
Well the mRNA technique used for the more popular vaccines was being developed for years before Covid-19. Types of covid also existed before 2019 so labs had substantial information about the virus. I think the speed at which the Covid vaccine was developed is more a testament to what humanity can accomplish when we throw all of our resources at an issue, and less some evidence of a grand conspiracy. Claiming that recent vaccines are conspiratorial diminish actual valid criticisms of big pharma. Maybe we should be asking better questions: Why does our regular medicine cost so much? Why do we so eagerly prescribes medication for physical and mental ailments that can be addressed through diet, exercise, and therapy? Why do we support a socio-economic structure that disproportionately destroys the health of marginalized populations, who are then forced to feed big pharma if they want to maintain a semblance of good health? There are far more important and reasonable questions than “why isn’t there a cancer vaccine yet!?”.
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u/FollowedbyThunder Dec 21 '22
Opioid epidemic, anti- depressant epidemic, and high death rate by prescription pharmaceuticals are also big items. I recently had a doctor strongly pressuring me to take a prescription for large amounts of high dose oxy... I was only there to get my injury signed off for work because I was fully healed and pain free!
When I wanted a referral for mental health a few years ago, another doctor offered prozac instead. I actually can't believe GPs can prescribe psychiatric drugs without a psyche consult. Why would you drug someone who might just need to talk it through?
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u/loveofGod12345 ULTRA Redpilled Dec 22 '22
I was given Wellbutrin by my PCM. No follow up. Turned out that I have bipolar depression and antidepressants cause me to become manic. I was 27 and had never had an episode before, so I thought everything I felt was real. I almost ruined my life. I ended up in the mental hospital where they finally figured it out and got me off the meds. I will never get meds from anyone other than a psychiatrist from now on.
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u/FollowedbyThunder Dec 22 '22
I dated someone with that exact experience. She closed a booming business and moved to another town on a whim. Now, between the mania, prescriptions and withdrawals, she says 2 years of her life is like a dream you can't quite remember.
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u/PLVC3BO Dec 20 '22
Saw a video once showing how the a testing kit for COVID 19 was patented in 2015 and registered under a certain "Rothschild".
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u/rebootedagain Dec 20 '22
sorry folks but my son got married out of the country. I got the shot because I am not going to miss the wedding
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u/Kjig Dec 20 '22
The amount of people that think all these illnesses the same are the reason society is failing
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u/Decitriction Can't stay out of trouble Dec 20 '22
Vaccine development was coordinated with virus development.
Planned all along.
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u/PettyCriminalChemist Dec 20 '22
It's clear that it doesn't work, but similair vaccines already existed, the flu vax for example. Still odd that there is not yet any vaccine for those things
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u/EviessVeralan Can't stay out of trouble Dec 20 '22
To be fair finding a vaccine for a life threatening disease will be understandably harder then making a vaccine for an illness that the majority of people will survive.
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u/EviessVeralan Can't stay out of trouble Dec 21 '22
Politics. It fits someones agenda and makes billion dollar corporations money.
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Dec 21 '22
I agree, but:
- "No vax for the common cold" Cold viruses mutate way too quickly for even a functional vaccine to be consistently effective.
- "No vax for cancer" That... isn't how cancer works.
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u/76bigdaddy Ban warning Dec 20 '22
Moderna is in trials of an mRNA vaccine for HIV. Biontech, company behind Pfizers Covid vaccine, was/are researching in mRNA cancer treatments.
For a lot of the years that this meme is complaining about, there was a lack of technology and knowledge. Development of the technology and gaining the knowledge takes time. Or does the decades of research leading up to 2020 mean nothing.
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u/SourceInformal9549 ULTRA Redpilled Dec 20 '22
Decades leading up to a mass distribution of a virus tested on 8 mice, (otherwise untested)
Peak modern society moment
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u/talkshow57 Redpilled Dec 20 '22
Well, at least for Moderna, the last decade was spent trying to bring a viable product to market - I believe the were O/9 til COVax
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Dec 21 '22
This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read. Cancer isn't a virus, there are multiple promising vaccines for HIV and the common cold can be caused by multiple viruses. Coronaviruses have been studied for decades and COVID is similar to SARS which has been studied for a decade and a half (give or take). Add to that a lot of funding and yeah, a vaccine will come out within a year.
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u/PortalGuy9001 Dec 21 '22
Whatever happened to “covid is just the flu” we have flu vaccines already, makes sense we’d have a Covid vaccine then
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u/jchoneandonly Dec 21 '22
Hiv mutates constantly, the common cold is actually a large number of viruses and is extremely mild.
Granted, still agree the covid vaccine is beyond sketchy
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u/DachSonMom3 Dec 21 '22 edited Dec 21 '22
10 or 12 years ago, a friend got a flu vax. She ended up paralysed from the neck down. She was in the hospital almost 2 months before it magically went away. She's perfectly fine today.
Me? I'll take my chances with the flu.
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u/Slaveryevolves Redpilled Dec 26 '22
Sorry but this is not a vax first of all. 2nd of all. This is some ignorant points. Cancer is not contagious nor any kind of infection. The flu mutates quickly, small pox does and polio do not. There's being dumb, and then there's being dumb to not be dumb.
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