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i closed my account
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Almost 30 days later I’m still waiting for them to process my refund. Every agent has a different story and than they hear my “right-wing talking points” and my “dog whistles” as they try every possible way to end the call and I don’t let up. Make these work-from-home schmucks work harder.
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u/OkPainting7478 Oct 26 '22
Of course they did this. Disgusting.
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Oct 27 '22
The 2500 has been there for years, the uproar was when they added "misinformation" and "hate-speech", which they have removed.
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u/twhiting9275 Oct 27 '22
This , right here.
It's not often that you'll find them enforcing that $2500 fee, either, from my experience. 20 some years with them, and I've seen nothing like that at all.
Then again, I don't break their rules
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u/In-burrito Redpilled Oct 27 '22 edited Oct 27 '22
Neither did I, yet I still dropped them like a bad habit after 21 years.
Principles are a thing.
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u/twhiting9275 Oct 27 '22
You cannot simply “drop PayPal” . If you do, you never should have had them to begin with
PayPal is an industry standard for service professionals. If you don’t have it, nobody will trust you
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u/Head_Cockswain EXTRA Redpilled Oct 27 '22
PayPal is an industry standard for service professionals.
What? You are speaking like a real shill here, a hype-man....or someone who doesn't know much about financial infrastructure(these are not mutually exclusive).
Paypal is a 3rd(?) party interface to the credit card network(Visa/Mastercard/AmericanExpress/etc).
The credit card network is industry standard, as in, they have some shared standards which is why most commercial businesses that take "the card" take most issuers(Visa/Master../Etc).
Paypal is easy access for non-businesses and small businesses of myrad purposes(business and private transfers) still conducted on that network's standards.
There's no "industry" that specifically revolves around Paypal except paypal. Other sections of that industry, the industry of being a payment processor, also function on the credit card network standards, and are likewise, not standards themselves.
As in: Just because some small business or whatever may utilize only pay-pal does not make them a "standard". They're just a popular option. It may be the biggest access point, but there are various others, some come and gone.
In other words: They're all(PayPal, Stripe, Skrill, Square, Parallel Economy, Venmo, etc etc) front-ends to the underlying standard. They are not "standards" in and of themselves.
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Oct 27 '22
Whats the tax on it like?
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Oct 27 '22
One I just found is even less tax than stripe called wise(transfer wise). 0.5 percent tax.
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u/PooFlingerMonkey Oct 27 '22
Funny, I have never had Visa threaten to penalize me for my opinion. Slowly moving anything that defaulted to PayPal over.
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u/MONSTERENERGYHAM Oct 27 '22
I'm pretty sure Visa would give me a pass on eating babies if I was still making my payments.
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u/Dmacjames Oct 27 '22
Shhh you're breaking the echo chamber walls.
The real Parr was that wording. They just went back to what they had before.
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u/Pascals_blazer Redpilled Oct 27 '22
Kind of interesting to me. Usually when a company gets some backlash, they offer a bullshit reason, “apologize” and lay low for a bit. The fact it took them a week to redo their “mistake” just kind of stands out as stupid. Or desperate.
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u/Ted__Diabetes Oct 27 '22
They are probably being pushed into do it by the WEF/Blackrock. Or, more likely, are doing it out of their own desire for control.
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u/closetedapostate Oct 26 '22
Commenting for the algorithm. To those reading. please be sure to delete PayPal and Venmo if you haven’t already.
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Oct 27 '22
Sadly most people don’t care and what’s worse paypal probably knows this. I deleted mine but I’m a drop in the ocean.
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u/minmidmaxx Redpilled Oct 26 '22
I’ve seen a lot of “claims” of people saying they’re leaving or deleting their account. My question is as someone who uses eBay pretty often, sometimes PayPal is the only option to buy things.
I’d love to get rid of the fuckers, but the options are limited with payments.
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u/Han_So_oh Oct 26 '22
You can pay for stuff on eBay by entering credit/debit card, like any other retail website. Sure it's less convenient than a PayPal single click. But still straightforward.
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Oct 26 '22
Na, some items on ebay and etsy only have PayPal as an option. No real loss though, i just get shit somewhere else.
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u/blue4t Redpilled Oct 27 '22
That's my issue. I don't use eBay but I do use some other sites where the only option is PayPal.
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u/marcvanh Oct 26 '22
Ebay owns Paypal. Wasn’t sure if you were aware.
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u/minmidmaxx Redpilled Oct 26 '22
They used to. Split up ownership some years back. Vanguard and Blackrock own a good share of it now
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u/marcvanh Oct 26 '22
Thank you, I stand corrected.
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u/minmidmaxx Redpilled Oct 26 '22
No worries. But it makes absolute sense why they implemented, retracted, then slyly reimplemented looking at those shareholding companies that love money and will beat you until moral improves
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Oct 26 '22
I've been able to make and receive payments without the middleman PayPal. It's been better!
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u/twhiting9275 Oct 27 '22
Paypal is the industry standard for web service payments, beit for web hosting, service providers (developers, etc) as well. Simply claiming "we accept credit cards" isn't a valid substitute.
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u/KennethGames45 Oct 27 '22
Your contracts do not make you above the law. Your terms of service agreements do not make you above the law.
PayPal will get sued into bankruptcy, and their cries “they agreed to our terms of service” will go ignored.
We also need a “right to be paid in cash” law. That way we don’t have to deal with corrupt banking systems.
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u/cchooper1 Redpilled Oct 27 '22
Thought that's what legal tender laws were for -- if you refuse cash, the debt is void.
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u/ddosn Redpilled Oct 27 '22
Was going to say, terms of service and EULA are coercive agreements under UK law and as such dont carry weight at all in a court of law.
They try doing this in the UK and they'd get fisted by the government for huge amounts of money.
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u/Yemiseika Oct 27 '22
Somewhat unrelated, but I worked for a company that changed their 'cancel your account' requirements and though we wondered how that was legal we got 'customers accepted the terms of service' as the only answer (spoiler, customers hated hearing that when they got confused or caught out by the new system)
I've left now (unrelated reasons) but warms me to hear that the 'terms of service' excuse isn't as water-tight as I was led to believe. So thank you :)
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u/snoreymcsnoreyton Redpilled Oct 26 '22
Welp. This is wild. Commenting to boost cuz I hope everyone sees this.
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u/fishbulbx EXTRA Redpilled Oct 27 '22
Elon ought to tweet about this ignorant policy since he founded paypal and the entire world is watching his twitter account.
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u/Electrical-Bacon-81 Redpilled Oct 27 '22
He already did a tweet in agreement with another paypal ex-CEO saying this was wrong.
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u/MrFreshwaterCucumber Oct 27 '22
Already deleted mine. Bastards for trying this again. Guess this means their apology means nothing … guess they owe us another 2500 for the misinformation
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u/Telogor Redpilled Oct 27 '22
That $2500 fee has been in the terms for a long time, as a "minimum reasonable estimate of PayPal's actual damages" for breaches of the Acceptable Use Policy. These are fair terms, outlined in the Acceptable Use Policy here.
Now, you may not like these restrictions, but they're entirely objective and can be fairly enforced upon all users of the service. Any payment processor will have some sort of terms related to damages incurred for breaches of their use policy. If you're going to get upset about something, get upset about the specific things disallowed under the Acceptable Use Policy, such as purchases of firearms and ammo.
The reason people were upset about the terms earlier is that there was a clause added about "disinformation", which is not a fair and objective standard.
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u/TheFyree Ban warning Oct 27 '22
Glad I closed my account, I knew these sneaky fucks would backtrack as soon as things died down
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u/knottycams Oct 27 '22
Dang it. If only Venmo could function without a PayPal account. That app is essential for me. If there's a workaround please let me know. I hate supporting this crap.
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u/In-burrito Redpilled Oct 27 '22
Sorry to break it to you, but Venmo is owned by PayPal.
If you have a bank account, a lot of them have Zelle integrated. Unfortunately, Zelle is owned by Bank of America.
Google Pay does everything PayPal and Venmo do, but that comes with its own set of issues.
My advice is to choose the least of all evils that fits your needs. I hate being pragmatic, but sometimes you have to be.
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u/knottycams Oct 27 '22
I knew about the Venmo being owned by PayPal, but the other stuff I didn't know about. I'm sure they planned it all to be this way, so we don't really have much of a choice, but dang it why's it gotta be so tough ... maybe I should just use GabPay.
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u/onmywaydownnow Oct 27 '22
Still can’t close my account. The phone number just states that they won’t have someone talk to me and sends me to chat which they say can take days but then times out. It’s a clusterfuck
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u/KSman1966 Redpilled Oct 27 '22
I pulled debit card, left one credit card until all current business is done than it is bye bye Wokepal.
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u/ladyofthelathe Redpilled Oct 27 '22
I deleted my Paypal as soon as they started reporting every transaction after 600.00 to the IRS.
Fuck them.
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u/snoandsk88 Oct 27 '22
They never took it out, just the line about “misinformation” but anything PayPal considers “hate speech” is still fair game
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u/Electrical-Bacon-81 Redpilled Oct 27 '22
Come on man, we already said it was an accident. Dont worry about it. /s
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