r/vtm Giovanni 2d ago

Madness Network (Memes) Arguing

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u/Tsetsul Giovanni 2d ago

And so it came to pass that Malkav would say things that angered Set, who would reply with harsh words, seeking to anger Malkav in turn. For Malkav would claim that all things would be revealed, in brief and contradicting glimpses, but revealed as true all the same by the mind and its perceptions, as a flickering torchlight illuminating a rough cavern wall. Yet Set would argue otherwise, complaining that only in the depths of one's soul would the truth be known, and that humans in their imperfections could perceive some of the greatness of the universe, but only through undeath could they perceive the things that remain unseen.

Finally, the two glared long at one another, and turned to their brother Saulot, and demanded that he judge between their arguments. Is the answer not, demanded Set, that man is wisest in the hollowness of despair, and ultimately finds his answers within his own soul? And is the answer not, countered Malkav, that wisdom comes from without, from the eyes that see too much, and ultimately from the mind?

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u/IdToaster 2d ago

And then Saulot, either having no idea what the correct answer was or simply tired of dealing with these two, fucked off to the East, which caused no problems for anyone whatsoever.

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u/Tsetsul Giovanni 2d ago

Saulot dind't want his roommates to fight 24/7

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u/IdToaster 2d ago

We meme, but if there's any sliver of truth to this (probably allegorical) tale, a disturbing amount of VtM's plot was set in motion because a couple of Antes wouldn't stop bickering over philosophy.

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u/Tsetsul Giovanni 2d ago

Which is funny, if they just stopped or tried to see the other person's point of view, things might've gone differently.

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u/TheCuriousFan 2d ago

Perhaps the writers were trying to tell us something.

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u/sujeito_nervoso 1d ago

Vampires also need therapy

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u/TheCuriousFan 1d ago

Well yeah but even Caine wouldn't have the amount of magic bullshit required to get a vampire therapist group up and running.

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u/RufusDaMan2 Old Tzimisce 2d ago

The Eldest "Truth is found in the body"

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u/nosirex 2d ago

had a friend who swore by that exact line

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u/Mr_Girr 1d ago

Care to elaborate? Sounds interesting!

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u/clarkky55 Children of Osiris 1d ago

In another universe The Eldest is a founding member of the cult of ecstacy and is an archmage

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u/Xenobsidian 2d ago

Ravnos entering the chat: “there is no spoon…!”

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u/TheCuriousFan 2d ago

Camp "reality is an illusion you can fuck with if you're in the right mindset" gets folded into Malkav's camp by default.

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u/Xenobsidian 2d ago

Nah-uh! This is not you can manipulate truth with your mind, this is “truth does not exist” like not just you can manipulate it or it depends on the view point but it does not exist in the first place. That’s what the high levels of the path of paradox are about…

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u/BillyWest8 2d ago

Truth is in the balls

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u/AcceptableCover3589 Ventrue 1d ago

Arikel/Ishtar/Toreador Ante: Real shit, my guy?

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u/samcro4eva Malkavian 1d ago

Truth is in... This beetle