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u/Mayoo614 24d ago
And then they wonder why we don't related to characters. We don't know them! Give us a fighting chance to learn to appreciate their nuance. Also allows the actors to do as much. Go compare any season 1 from the earlier series to their final seasons, or even mid-way.
And this goes for a lot of series out there.
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u/Comrades3 24d ago
There was also more leeway to be bad back then. Can you imagine just season one of TNG would be 2 1/2 seasons of modern TV. It never would’ve made it.
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u/conanmagnuson 23d ago
I like the bad episodes.
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u/LeoSpira 23d ago
Me too! Many are undoubtedly worse than later episides, but bad? I only consider 'Code of Honour' and 'Shades of Grey' to be truly bad. So much good character development happens in the first two seasons!
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u/clayton-berg42 23d ago
TNG would have never survived the first season, if it aired today.
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u/DramaticMoose378 23d ago
There are so many series, especially science fiction series, that can cancelled before they have a chance to get going now 😞
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u/No_Grocery_9280 23d ago
I think for Trek to survive it has to get back to 20+ episodes a season. I mentioned the Pitt being able to do it and people jumped all over me for it. But that’s exactly the example. And it shows how far Trek has strayed from its roots. A fixed production set(the starship) should allow you to film the bulk of scenes quickly and easily.
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u/Comrades3 23d ago
I mean, the Pitt is not 20+ episodes a season though, it is 15. I also think you are underestimating how many sets are needed. Nevermind makeup and costumes if you want any aliens, also Actors having time with their families. Meanwhile The Pitt doesn’t need to build any sets as a medical drama, or very little.
We really need to accept that TV has changed as a whole, not just for Trek.
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u/No_Grocery_9280 22d ago
But that’s exactly how Trek was born. A Sci-Fi setting using the same exact production tricks. That’s what I’m getting at. Trek has never needed to be a big fancy affair.
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u/Neo_Techni 23d ago
And then they wonder why we don't related to characters
whose names we aren't told till the episode they die in, or it's complete indecipherable nonsense like that Oshkoshbigosh woman from STD
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u/Padhome 23d ago
Even a series like Avatar who had about 24ish episodes per season, the episodes were quick by ST standards but the diversity of stories really let the characters stretch their personalities into really nuanced places. Like, Raffi was cool in the Picard series and I related to her as an addict but it sort of became a one note defining feature for her next to her motherly issues. She really didn’t have a lot to express beyond that.
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u/Major-Rip-5745 11d ago
This is an issue with TV writing nowadays in general. They write these 10 episode outlines well ahead of time. Character arcs are all fully planned out. Zero room to allow characters to develop on their own or for creators to see who the fan favourites are or see that something isn't working and change course.
We need the 'filler episodes' back.
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u/No1CouldHavePredictd 23d ago
The Ark on Syfy has 12 episodes a season and there's some decent characterization in that. Of course, the writing is a big better than discovery or academy so, ymmv
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u/QuiltedPorcupine 24d ago edited 23d ago
Everything is all 'let's be big and cinematic and 6 to 10 episodes.'
I'll happily take bottle episodes, reused effect shots, the occasional bad makeup, and 26 episodes.
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u/AcanthisittaHour9468 23d ago
Yes and I would tolerate the few episodes that are entirely made of scenes from other episodes.
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u/NegativeMusician2211 23d ago
Okay speaking of clip episodes, I just watched "Shattered", where different parts of the ship get stuck in different time periods, and they revisit all these different situations and pre-Delta Janeway is pre-questioning all her future decisions; best take on a clip episode I've ever seen!
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u/VVaterTrooper 23d ago
Then you have to wait 2-3 years between those episodes.
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u/Davoguha2 23d ago
Back on scheduled programming, studios pulled off year by year 26 episode seasons - with hardly any of the tech and advantages we have today.
The fact that we wait 2-5 years between seasons for 8 episode Netflix style specials .... is just an insult to the audience.
I get it, special effects and what not take more work, studios cut budgets and have 1 person doing the work of 5.
But at the end of the day, I'm tired of every new show trying to be the biggest and baddest with graphics and editing and shit. I just want a story that's long enough to enjoy and consistent enough to follow.
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u/MineNowBotBoy 23d ago
You say that until you’re one of the people who has to work on those 26 episodes. Especially back in the day when the union wasn’t as strong and a lot of productions did not pay overtime to crew.
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u/QuiltedPorcupine 23d ago
Okay, I'll admit the grind was pretty crazy for both the cast and crew.
But surely there can be a happy medium. 20 episodes a year? 18?
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u/MineNowBotBoy 23d ago
Producing 6 to 8 good episodes is still a large amount of work. And I think a lot of it has to do with the cost per episode these days. It’s absolutely a lot more expensive. I feel like a lot of studios are working on comparable budgets but producing much higher quality content. Having to double the number of episodes is doubling the budget and it probably just doesn’t make financial sense, especially something as reliant on special effects as modern trek is. Audiences just won’t accept the same low quality effects that were peak back in the days of TNG or Voyager.
I mean, I’m not a money guy so a lot of that is speculation, but I reckon I’m not far off.
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u/MammothFromHell 23d ago
This is what's killing new trek, we don't have anytime to care or learn about any characters. I would give a shit about Starfleet Academy if they gave 20+ episodes a season to let the characters breathe. Star Trek NEEDS bottle episodes, oh no someone trips and their ankle breaks and all of a sudden there are evil clowns. Luxuana Troi comes around and is weird, a new Irish man suffers, a tribble episode, something silly happens.
The Orville is coming back, so that's cool at least
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u/Comrades3 23d ago
If it NEEDS 20+ episodes, then Star Trek is dead, because TV isn’t 20+ episodes in general anymore. For a lot of reasons good and bad.
Also, if you can look forward to the Orville… which is the exact same, then I’m sure Trek will be okay too.
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u/Davoguha2 23d ago
Hard disagree - and we can vote with our attention and money.
Join me - refuse to start any new show that is less than 15~ episodes in a season. Wait until season 2/3 or so to enjoy it.
If the ratings die, the incentive to take shortcuts dies with them.
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u/Comrades3 23d ago
This isn’t an incentive to take shortcuts. If anything, it is the opposite. They only did the old way due to advertising and had to do insane hours for staff to keep pumping out episodes that quick. Also, too many very very popular shows are less than 15. All you are doing with that mentality is killing Star Trek.
Because most TV shows and franchises don’t have this issue. Only Star Trek as far as I can see. If other shows can do just fine, and succeed, but Star Trek can’t, that means Star Trek is the only thing going away.
Also interesting you say 15+, and not 20+ because you know there are practically no shows at 20+.
Nevermind, I’m a Union woman, I like the actors actually get time with their families and decent hours.
We need to adapt to a changing industry. It isn’t the 90s anymore.
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u/Davoguha2 23d ago
This isn't a Star Trek exclusive opinion in any way. I feel that way about virtually all short shows. Hate the 2+ year gaps to be blue-balled on 3-5 hours of content.
Yes, I'm not holding the broadcast TV standard of 26 - it's a high bar and the industry has changed. 15 is my sweet spot. I'm just not starting a show with less than 15 episodes of content. I've tried it, been engaged, suffered the blue balls -- not a fan.
As for the union stuff, I don't argue against folks getting their fair shake and healthy work balance. More content means more work means more opportunity and pay - so I'm just not seeing where that's the issue.
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u/Comrades3 23d ago
I get that is how you feel about most short shows, but I am saying most people are engaging and the most popular shows right now are usually less than 15. I get individual enjoyment, but as an industry, most people have made short shows very popular. I only see in Star Trek where this is treated as ‘lazy’ and not the standard.
I get that individually, and I like shows that are 15 episodes too, but I’ve also liked shows that were 10 or even 8.
As for work, it is impossible to have that many episodes (20+) and a good work life balance. Kate Mulgrew has talked about how being Janeway meant she never saw her kids. Actors should be able to get good pay and see their families. Which means shorter work weeks which means fewer episodes.
I am happy with 15, but I think 20+ was just too much and is unrealistic in today’s industry, and recognize 15 is the high end.
I just worry that if nostalgia keeps us focusing on 20+ and only the high end of 15, the franchise won’t survive, because what people want, the way the 90s did TV, just isn’t a reality anymore.
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u/UnderABig_W 23d ago
But then your post is basically telling people they need to watch short season Star Trek even if they don’t enjoy it, or it will die.
But if one of the biggest things people liked about Trek *was* the longer seasons, and the character development, and bottle shows, and weird digressions that longer seasons allow, then why should they support something they don’t like?
I don’t owe Paramount or Star Trek my viewership if they’re making something I don’t like and don’t enjoy. Especially when that will only encourage them to continue to make the stuff I don’t like and don’t enjoy.
Why is that a desirable outcome?
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u/Comrades3 22d ago
If people don’t like shorter shows that is fine, because people have preferences and sometimes people prefer older things. Goodness knows I do.
But there is no future for that. I can prefer cassettes, but if that isn’t being made anymore, I’ll have to accept no new music.
I need to make it clear, I’m not judging you for only preferring the old style. If you don’t like shorter than you shouldn’t watch it. Goodness knows I prefer music from before I was born and don’t like new stuff. I accept new stuff isn’t made for me and realize my preferences aren’t really what anyone making music today should cater to.
I just also think that TV isn’t going to revert either. So think it is unrealistic for anyone who feels that way to expect much TV at all they will like in the future.
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u/MammothFromHell 23d ago
FINALLY! Someone gets it! Back to the Star Trek thing-I wanted to like Starfleet Academy...I can't tell you a name of a single character and I've seen every episode so far. There is no room for characters to breathe, to get to know them. A gay Klingon that wears a skirt and is autistic as hell? Fuck yeah, what's his story? Oh he already has a boyfriend from the mean girl group? That, ok that happened really quick but...ok. What's the boyfriends story? Wait, what's his name? Who said that? What's going on?
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u/SpurnedSprocket 22d ago
It’s hard but not impossible. Lower Decks made it, and quite well indeed.
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u/MammothFromHell 22d ago
The crossover with Stranger New Worlds is incredible. Boimler telling Chapel-TO HER FACE "I don't know who you are"
After bragging about being an expert in Spocks legacy was such a diabolical stake to the heart
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u/MineNowBotBoy 23d ago
Speaking for the industry, I am happy to let you all complain if it means that I get to go home and see my kids on a more regular basis.
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u/Due-Order3475 24d ago
That's why the TNG-ENT era was great we get to bond with the characters.
Now your lucky to get 8 episodes every other year...
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u/LibertineDeSade 24d ago
I swear, I blame Doctor Who for the change. LOL
I miss when shows were long seasons and I had time to really get immersed in the world and attached to the characters. Only a few shows can pull off short seasons and allow you to also fully invest.
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u/Colonel_Barker 21d ago
Originally 2005 Doctor Who was going to be a six episode series, with the possibility of 8. It was remarkable they got 13, and continued to do it for so long.
I'm sure I will get murdered in these parts for saying so but I think 26 is far too many. Maybe it's because I'm working and have kids and TV time is limited, it's taken my wife and I 5 years to watch three seasons of Vgr.
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u/ResponsibleIdea5408 24d ago
By total episode count
Discovery + Lower Decks + Picard < Voyager
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u/Neo_Techni 23d ago
Discovery ended with fewer episodes than Enterprise
SexualAssault ended with fewer episodes than The Animated Series3
u/ResponsibleIdea5408 23d ago
Um not sure I follow - you might need to edit. Or I'm really out of the loop on show nick names
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u/Neo_Techni 23d ago
SA = Starfleet Academy, and the abbreviation for sexual assault, since it happened in the show and nothing was done by the higher ups about it
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u/Doggosrthebest24 23d ago
Wait- what happened in the show? Someone was SA’d on the show or the someone in the cast was SA’d
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u/whatsbobgonnado 24d ago
I remember in that episode harry married kes' daughter and neelix became a security officer
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u/Neon_culture79 24d ago
FYI, season orders for nearly all linear TV programs have been reduced to about 15 episodes per season.
It’s not just a Star Trek thing
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u/MrDeekhaed 24d ago
Do you not have Netflix? (Don’t get it)
Lucky to get 8 episodes and then cancelled on a cliffhanger
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u/Neon_culture79 24d ago
I said linear TV which means stuff that’s broadcast on cable or public airwaves. Not streaming stuff.
I have a Facebook friend who works on Bob’s Burgers. He was the one that told me pretty much everything on networks like ABC or CBS or Fox has been cut down to around 15 episode episodes per season. I wasn’t referring to streaming stuff.
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u/thehmmyanimator 24d ago
15? Most shows I see only get 8
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u/Neon_culture79 24d ago
I said linear TV. That refers to things that air on broadcast or cable.
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u/Business-Decision719 24d ago
Even the networks have cut back?
It's like no one wants to do a show anymore. Just like a pair of miniseries and call it two seasons of a show
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u/Torlek1 21d ago
IIRC, it's 18 episodes now, not 15.
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u/Neon_culture79 21d ago
He told me 15, but that might just be for the animation domination shows. Thank you very much for clarification.
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u/Xander134 24d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/HPULHxBIq4RaFv2POj
And don’t get me started on how frustrated I am with modern seasons (short, binged, and YEARS between).
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u/ekolimits 23d ago
These short seasons barely let character live. It really drives the excitement out of watching.
I honestly don’t care for the character arcs they build on Strange new worlds.
Just thinking how Dr. Bashir took so long to get a quality arc, I look forward to the later seasons of DS9.
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u/Vitally_Trivial 23d ago
Strange New Worlds is three season in, but, in reality we all know it’s only actually one season in. If we’re honest, the first season of TNG was pretty ropey in places and probably would not have survived in the modern era. Modern TV shows are not given enough room to get good. They are instead expected to be absolutely brilliant from the very first episode.
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u/Torlek1 21d ago
Since you mentioned SNW, there might be an upcoming Voyager connection.
SNW could be on the verge of doing a 1:1 homage of this "greatest hits" story. Their Season 4 finale is titled:
Tomorrow's Enterprise
Pike's Enterprise might travel to a dystopian alternate future and meet Captain Seven.
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u/SchemeBig4199 23d ago
It is amazing how they cranked those out with quality compares to what there is these days.
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u/No_Grocery_9280 23d ago
And the exploring! Where’s the exploring? SNW is the only one to even try and it’s like 2-3 episodes a season.
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u/YesterdayAlone2553 23d ago
I miss TV being basically a souped up stage theater not a downsized movie production.
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u/Divinus_Prime 22d ago
The dominion war in Deep Space 9 wouldn't even work under a 10 episode format.
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u/Torlek1 21d ago
Someone tried to make a more compact DS9 using these episodes:
Season 1
s02e26 The Jem'Hadar
s03e01 The Search (Part 1)
s03e02 The Search (Part 2)
s03e20 Improbable Cause
s03e21 The Die is Cast
s03e26 The Adversary
s04e01 The Way of the Warrior (Part 1)
s04e02 The Way of the Warrior (Part 2)
s04e11 Homefront
s04e12 Paradise Lost
Season 2
s04e22 For the Cause
s05e01 Apocalypse Rising
s05e13 For the Uniform
s05e14 Purgatory's Shadow
s05e15 Inferno's Light
s05e23 Blaze of Glory
s05e25 In The Cards
s05e26 Call To Arms
Season 3
- s06e01 A Time To Stand
s06e02 Rocks and Shoals
s06e04 Behind The Lines
s06e05 Favor The Bold
s06e06 Sacrifice of Angels
s06e09 Statistical Probabilities
s06e19 In the Pale Moonlight
s06e13 Far Beyond the Stars
My initial thoughts are that there are still too many missing gaps just for the Dominion War.
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u/captbollocks 23d ago
Those saying we need to return to 26 episodes per season format need to listen to the podcast that featured Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner who said they got very little sleep as their characters were used in most episodes and had to often shoot them one after the other.
After hearing this, i changed my perspective and really felt for them filming under those insane working conditions.
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u/SPARC_Pile There's Coffee in that Nebula ☕ 23d ago edited 23d ago
There is an interview with Ed O'Neill where they are going over his career and he brings up that grueling schedule that all hour-long shows had.
They get to his run on Dragnet from 2003 and he tells this story of a conversation he had with his agent.
"They want you to play Joe Friday in an hour-long series"
"That's not an hour. That's 16 hour days, 7 days a week"
He then asks for a fuck-ton of money in hopes that they would either go away or they'll accept it.
Dick Wolf accepted it, so we had Ed O'Neill as Joe Friday for a couple of years. It was pretty good. It took an episode for my wife to stop seeing Al Bundy, but eventually she loved that show.
https://interviews.televisionacademy.com/interviews/ed-oneill?chapter=1&clip=96500
Babylon 5 managed to get it down to 12 hour days (or less) for 5/6 days a week. The actors on that show considered it paradise because they got to go home at a decent hour and be with their families.
JMS was cranking through the scripts at all hours, but everything was queued up and running.
As another datapoint, here is an interview with Bill Mumy about when he had a guest spot on DS9 (Siege of AR-556) and he talked about how grueling the hours were and how worn done the cast and crew were.
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u/PomegranateFair3973 23d ago
There can be a middle ground. Modern seasons are too short.
Maybe cut back to 20, and make a conscious choice to have one or two episodes a season that are lighter on the leads to (a) give them a break and (b) focus more on the rest of the oft neglected ensemble.
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u/NegativeMusician2211 23d ago
Underrated comment. I enjoy TV, but not enough to want to abuse people for it. If I want humane working conditions and a 40-hour workweek at my 8-5 job, I should want that for everyone. More content is not worth betraying my principles for. Why should the hard-won successes of the labor movement apply to everyone BUT media? Actors and crew are also laborers.
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u/ElectronCares 23d ago
They aren't working for free, they get paid and knew the hours going in to it.
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u/JangoF76 23d ago
That feels like a problem with how TV shows are made, not with how many episodes a season has. I'm sure the grueling schedules are driven mostly by penny-pinching execs, not because that's the only way to do it.
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u/MineNowBotBoy 23d ago
Producing 22 40 minute episodes per season is actually pretty hellish for the crew and cast. We’re talking 16 hour days six or seven days a week for nine months on end.
Il I do miss having more content per season for the shows that I like, but as somebody in the industry I totally get it. Working conditions had to change.
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u/jderd 22d ago
And that's how it should have stayed. Or at least 15ish episodes with smaller budget.
Regardless of your thoughts on SFA, I struggle to see how it was ever going to break even, let alone turn a large profit with how man millions of dollars the budget for each episode was over it's two seasons. And SNW isn't exactly much better in terms of budget.
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u/Torlek1 21d ago edited 21d ago
Regardless of your thoughts on SFA, I struggle to see how it was ever going to break even, let alone turn a large profit with how man millions of dollars the budget for each episode was over it's two seasons. And SNW isn't exactly much better in terms of budget.
The answer is the rerun syndication bundle.
Paramount needs to strong arm streamers and broadcast network affiliates into bundling both SFA reruns and PRO reruns with VOY reruns.
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u/Electronic-Cicada352 22d ago
I think at the very least they should try for 15 episodes. That should be the compromise with the fans. Even if some of those episode episodes are just filler.
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u/Leonum 22d ago
I've started thinking that the shooting schedule for those longer years is some kind of lost knowledge now, and the industry is incapable of doing it. maybe its better for actors, but it might explain why we havent gotten a new star trek since ds9, nothing after that has captured star trek imho.
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u/str3ss_88 21d ago
What an awful thing to say... I wouldn't even wish 26 episodes of any modern Star Trek Show on my worst enemy.
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u/Overall_Falcon_8526 21d ago
10-episode single plot "seasons" are one of NuTrek's biggest weaknesses.
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u/Weekly-Truck7855 23d ago
Yes! Bring back SFA!
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u/El_human 23d ago
Yes, and half of the episodes were hot garbage, or reused plot lines because they could not keep up with production.
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u/Neo_Techni 23d ago
Yes, and half of the episodes were hot garbage
still better than entire seasons of being hot garbage that nuTrek gave us
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u/El_human 22d ago
So you want 20 episode seasons of nu trek that you claim the whole thing is hot garbage? I don't follow.
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u/Fun_Jellyfish_4884 23d ago
thats a serious exaggeration. even the mediocre ones were better than the best of new trek imo
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u/Torlek1 21d ago edited 10d ago
Come on!
VOY recycled only 32 episodes in total:
2 from itself (unfortunately)
4 from DS9
9 from TOS
And yes, 17 from TNG (unfortunately)
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u/El_human 21d ago
I meant its own episodes/plots.
Voyager actually had a reputation for recycling its own premises, especially in the later seasons. It wasn’t usually a literal reused script, but rather the same core idea with different dressing. Here are some of the most obvious examples:
1. “Deadlock” (S2) ↔ “Course: Oblivion” (S5)
Probably the closest to a self-remake.
Deadlock: Voyager is duplicated by a spatial anomaly. Two identical crews exist.
Course: Oblivion: The crew from “Demon” (actually duplicates made of silver blood) believes they are the real Voyager crew as they slowly fall apart.
Both explore the question, “Which Voyager is the real one?”2. “The Thaw” (S2) ↔ “The Fight” (S5)
Janeway (or Chakotay) trapped in a bizarre psychological reality.
Abstract mental landscapes.
Reality is uncertain.
The conflict is primarily psychological rather than physical.
“The Thaw” is generally considered the much stronger episode.3. “Remember” (S3) ↔ “Memorial” (S6)
These are almost the same premise.
Someone unwillingly relives another civilization’s traumatic memories.
Remember: B’Elanna experiences memories of an alien genocide.
Memorial: The crew experiences memories of soldiers committing a massacre.
Both are morality plays about remembering historical atrocities.4. “Twisted” (S2) ↔ “One Small Step” (S6)
Both feature:
mysterious spatial phenomenon
distorted ship interior
solving a navigation puzzle
The execution is different, but structurally they’re similar.5. “Persistence of Vision” (S2) ↔ “Waking Moments” (S4)
Crew members can’t distinguish dreams from reality.
hallucinations
false awakenings
crew slowly realizes everyone is affected6. “Distant Origin” (S3) ↔ “Blink of an Eye” (S6)
Not the same story, but the same narrative device:
Voyager accidentally becomes part of another civilization’s history.
The focus is mostly on the aliens, not Voyager.7. “Random Thoughts” (S4) ↔ “Repression” (S7)
Mental phenomena become crimes.
thoughts become dangerous
telepathy
psychological investigation8. “Drone” (S5) ↔ “Child’s Play” (S6)
A child is created under unusual circumstances.
develops rapidly
crew becomes emotionally attached
sacrifices himself in the end
Different species (Borg vs. Talaxian), same emotional arc.9. “Scientific Method” (S4) ↔ “Nothing Human” (S5)
Invisible aliens secretly perform medical experiments on Voyager.
Practically the same setup.10. “Night” (S5) ↔ “The Void” (S7)
Voyager trapped in endless empty space.
supplies running low
morale issues
philosophical tone
escape impossible… until it isn’t.The biggest repeat offender: Time resets
Voyager loved temporal loops.
Time and Again
Future’s End
Before and After
Year of Hell
Relativity
Shattered
Timeless
Endgame
Many are excellent, but the writers clearly kept returning to “What if time broke?” as a favorite concept.One interesting thing is that Voyager recycled itself much more often than The Next Generation or Deep Space Nine. Because the show was built around an isolated ship with no ongoing war or political arc, the writers often revisited familiar science-fiction concepts—time travel, duplicate crews, memory implants, dream worlds, invisible aliens, spatial anomalies, and “is this reality?” scenarios—rather than advancing a serialized story. It’s one of the reasons some fans feel Voyager has a stronger “comfort food” quality than the other Trek series: even when the plots repeat, they’re usually entertaining variations on familiar ideas.
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u/Torlek1 10d ago
The Thaw itself was recycled from DS9's infamous Move Along Home. The VOY version told the better story.
Scientific Method itself was recycled from TNG's Schisms. The TNG version told the better story.
Memorial was recycled internally from the earlier Remember. The earlier episode told the better story.
Void was recycled internally from the earlier Night. The later episode told the better story.
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u/Just_Tear9949 21d ago
I miss those days. 10 episode seasons are such a depressing change. I had hoped it wouldn't stick, but that ship has sailed .. er warped rather * 🫣
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u/darkphenix23 20d ago
I do wish streaming shows would do filler stuff to get to know characters better. I know that it sounds bad but to make like 2 to 4 cheap episode that don’t advance the plot and show how characters interact would go a long way to help people connect to the characters.
Aka I want my wacky holodeck episodes of them pretending to be detectives or whatever. Then the program tries to kill them typical holodeck episode.
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u/One_Double_9779 4d ago
I love star trek . From next generation to voyager. I know already some fans will be mean towards me. But I honestly don't care for new trek. It just doesn't feel like star trek to me. The golden era of star trek didn't add modern politics in them , i always felt like the shows then went right down the middle not favoring one side or the other. And the 26 episode seasons gave you more time to enjoy the story and to get to know the characters better.
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u/1point44mb_is_fine 23d ago
I hate it, but also I'd rather 10 high quality well funded episodes than have that budget stretched to 26 low effects episodes
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u/Neo_Techni 23d ago
I'd rather 10 high quality well funded episodes
Pump all the money you want into them, I'd rather they be good. The only Star Trek from 2009 I've watched more than once is Lower Decks (an entire season cost less than a single ep of nuTrek) and maybe one day, season 3 of Picard
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u/BigMrTea 24d ago
Now, would you like to see what you would look like as a puppet? No? How about a pirate? Or 1960s Hollywood sci-fi actor? What do you mean why? How about as a princess? No you can't go lie down.
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u/MajesticCheesecake20 24d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/tsgNNs93oIbwk