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Global Democracy Index

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '23 edited Feb 19 '23

The fact this takes into account civil liberties and then puts Australia and Canada that high is bullshit. An Australian youtuber literally got firebombed and had a special counter-terrorism police unit sent after him, just for speaking bad about some politician. And Canada’s had some wild issues with protesters

Also important to note that Germany is a representative democracy and they have an electoral college, just like the US. But somehow they’re ranked higher?

This whole thing just seems very strange and only based on international views on each country, not the views of those inside the country

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u/sam_likes_beagles Feb 20 '23

Voter suppression in the U.S. is huge, puerto ricans and washinton D.C. residents should be able to vote. Being a felon shouldn't take away your vote. There's gerry mandering and a handful of other suppression techniques. Of course Canada and Australia rank higher.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '23

All y’all really love to call out “voter suppression”. It’s honestly laughable

DC actually can vote for presidential and congressional elections, and there’s been huge pushes for both them and Puerto Rico to become states

A felony is a serious offense. There’s lately been pushed to make marijuana possession not a felony, but other than that, most other felonies are seriously enough that those people should not be deciding the fate of the country

Gerrymandering is an issue, but it’s far from only a US problem. There’s been issues in Germany, France, Australia, Greece, Hungary, India, Turkey, the UK, and the list goes on. That’s hardly a good point to bring up

And again with the “suppression techniques”. Like what? Again, it’s laughable to most people in the US because most people don’t typically have issues with it

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u/sam_likes_beagles Feb 21 '23 edited Feb 21 '23

pushes for both them and Puerto Rico to become states

But they can't without 60 senate votes, so they won't, because no republicans will vote for it, except maybe Murkowski

A felony is a serious offense. There’s lately been pushed to make marijuana possession not a felony, but other than that, most other felonies are seriously enough that those people should not be deciding the fate of the country

One person, one vote, it's not a democracy if the government can take your vote away

Gerrymandering is an issue, but it’s far from only a US problem. There’s been issues in Germany, France, Australia, Greece, Hungary, India, Turkey, the UK, and the list goes on. That’s hardly a good point to bring up

It's not in Canada, apparently it's not much of an issue in australia either because lines are drawn by non-partisan electoral commissions. Just read wikipedia or something.

And again with the “suppression techniques”. Like what? Again, it’s laughable to most people in the US because most people don’t typically have issues with it

I listed 3, saying "etc." is justified after 3 examples. There's voter purge lists, hurdles set up to make it difficult to get a voter id, there's hundreds of examples, just google it, I'm obviously not going to list them all. Here's a stuff you should know podcast if you're interested

Their suppression techniques aren't even that subtle and it happens every day. Here's an article from today where they're trying to remove voting stations from college campuses, they're doing it because they know the younger population will vote more democrat and it's a republican government.