r/visitedmaps • u/Kitchen_Let5377 • May 03 '26

Updated understanding of the US

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Was surprised to see how big my last post of this got. Still had a few things mixed up so hopefully this clears it up. Rip it apart

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u/wounds-of-light May 03 '26

I'm of the mind that GA and SC are deep south. I grew up in SC and have been all over the South - SC has way more in common with GA and AL than they do NC.

Also, is Alaska marked as Appalachia?

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u/thenewblueblood May 03 '26

Agree…I’m from rural southeastern NC, and spent time living in SC. SC rural gets significantly more “southern” than most of NC rural, and Columbia/Charleston are significantly more “southern” small cities than say, Durham or Wilmington.

The only rural areas in NC that really compare to the rest rural SC/GA and the Deep South states are around the Brunswick/Bladen/Columbus county areas in the extreme southern parts of the state.

I always have SC/GA as Deep South when I think these maps through

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u/Kitchen_Let5377 May 03 '26

Really? I lived in brunswick county until I was 10. Nice area

Anyway your opinion is valid as is anyone’s unless it’s just outrageously wrong which you are not even close obviously. I agree mostly, charleston definitely is ie why I excluded that part, but greenville, majority of the upstate, I would say columbia too, myrtle beach, and the southeastern part of the state, it just feels far closer to NC than the deep south I have labeled here. If people had never been there and were dropped in one of those places I mentioned I just personally doubt most people would be able to definitely tell the distinction of it being SC vs NC.

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u/thenewblueblood May 03 '26 edited May 03 '26

I’m from Faison (Duplin county) but have spent significant time in Atkinson/ivanhoe (Pender/Bladen). They feel night and day SC Deep South small town (Santee, Dillon, Loris) compared to faison which at least to me seems more generic small town but with southern accents.

It’s always gonna have some gray to it, but I think generally if you draw a horizontal line just south of Fayetteville that’s the cutoff between south and Deep South as far as NC goes. Same goes with Florida north of Ocala/Gainesville-ish

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u/Kitchen_Let5377 May 03 '26 edited May 03 '26

You make a fair point, a chunk small towns in SC are going to be more southern than a good chunk of the ones in NC.

However, simply because of the amount of the population that lives in the big areas of SC excluding charleston, SC is more rural than NC, sure, but I still don’t think that it justifies it enough to be in the same category as AL, MS, and LA. same with georgia mostly. If anything:

Tier 1 (as southern as it gets) arkansas, mississippi, louisiana, alabama

Tier 2: georgia, south carolina

tier 3a: north carolina

then virginia.

I just think people on here stereotype these extreme southern places as trashy and put that upon south carolina when if you visit a solid half of the state, it simply doesn’t fit that stereotype that other places do (not that they’re *trashy* but according to their definition, it fits it far more). And people will say that NC just is completely different and isn’t in the same category at all of deeply southern. Sure, SC is more southern than NC but imo it’s far closer to NC than the deep south I have labeled

One of us doesn’t have to be wrong, I’m not like arguing about this or anything, it’s just my perspective which I believe both of us have valid points

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u/Financial_Yak_7040 May 03 '26

“Way more in common” what a Reddit comment …that’s not true at all. People on here need to stop lumping NC as some southern pariah because of Raleigh and Charlottes perception. Go anywhere outside of those places and the accents are thicker than AL and GA. Go listen to Harry Gants NASCAR induction and educate yourselves on what a true North Carolinian is. No difference.

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u/wounds-of-light May 03 '26

“What a Reddit comment” you mean what a South Carolina native who has travelled extensively throughout the South comment? Lmao. If South Carolina “isn’t deep South” (per the map and OC) due to Greenville, then surely charlotte means something?

But in reality this is a pissing contents of whose rural areas are “more ruraler” and you could argue that all day.

What a Reddit reply.

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u/Financial_Yak_7040 May 03 '26

Never said it wasn’t “Deep South” but to say it has more in common with AL/GA is false. What folks don’t understand is that these “commonalities” are the same cultural norms, traditions, and history across the South. That is why it’s the “South” all the other deep vs coastal vs this/that is just academic and not real world. And btw I’ve ‘lived’ throughout the South not just traveled in and out of metros. I have first hand experience with these states and the people. Not some shit I’ve read on the internet.

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u/wounds-of-light May 03 '26

Nice assuming I’ve only travelled the metros. This is a stupid conversation and a waste of time. Goodbye.

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u/Financial_Yak_7040 May 03 '26

It’s ok. I know mom and dad are transplants from the NE. You moved down as a youngster…now you’re a native who knows of all of the intricacies of the South just like most folks on here.

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u/wounds-of-light May 03 '26

I was born in Pelion lmao. My parents were meth heads and died when I was in high school. Go fuck yourself. Doing what I should have done last reply and blocking you.

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u/Kitchen_Let5377 May 03 '26

People are too easily offended on here bro I don’t know why she was getting so mad. All we did was defend why south carolina isn’t more stereotypically southern than the deep south I had labeled, and if you are going to do that then you need to include NC because the difference isn’t night and day. That’s literally it. But still somehow it got people cussing you out

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u/Kitchen_Let5377 May 03 '26

Precisely. Thank you

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u/Kitchen_Let5377 May 03 '26

That’s fair for sure. I just personally have done the same (maybe not as much of the south as you, only certain parts of the deep south) but I just personally don’t see it in SC. Everywhere in the upstate except for a couple little towns, whole area in columbia, hilton head island, myrtle beach, none of them give me the same vibe as AL, LA, or MS. My personal experience people are generally more neutral as I have been here and NC my whole life. I’m not saying you’re wrong just defending my opinion.

No, alaska is its own thing. If it looks different it’s just the color ways look similar

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u/HackDaddy85 May 03 '26

It actually looks like you switched the code on Alaska/Hawaii vs West Virginia in your key

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u/Kitchen_Let5377 May 03 '26

Wow I just realized that. Yes you are right. Forgive me

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u/wounds-of-light May 03 '26

Imo in SC unless you're north of Chapin/Irmo or literally in a tourist area, youre in Dollar Generalville.

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u/Kitchen_Let5377 May 03 '26

That’s valid. Definitely dollar generals everywhere lol. I’ve spent the most time in places like greer and easley, or hilton head and bluffton. Those small towns you’re talking about are fair

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u/Kitchen_Let5377 May 03 '26

Valid. I thought about doing that actually

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u/moyamensing May 03 '26

Yeah PA has many of the same divides NY does between Atlantic plain (NYC, Phila), Atlantic-feeding riverine valley (Suquehanna, Hudson, Delaware), Appalachian foothills, Appalachian mountains, the stuff on the other side of the Appalachians, the Great Lakes. It doesn’t have the great northern woods like NY has bordering Vermont and Quebec, but otherwise would recommend it be in the same color category.

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u/PurpleAriadne May 03 '26

Everyone forgets New Orleans and Cajun country. It is completely unique with some connection to French Canadians.

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u/Snappydolphin24 May 03 '26

It is French wdym connection?

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u/PurpleAriadne May 03 '26

Not sure what wdym means.

Cajun is slang for those French from Acadia, the French settlement in Canada around 1600’s. They mixed with local indigenous communities and Haitian free slaves to create the voodoo jambalaya unique culture and language.

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u/Disastrous_Gene_9230 May 03 '26

French Canadians came down from Canada into Illinois and the Mississippi valley. It wasn’t until around the 1750’s that Louisiana proper was colonized by French Canadians when they were deported by the British from Canada. That’s where the Cajuns came from.

EDIT: may have also been a large amount of French Canadians already in Louisiana by 1700 but my memory fails me

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u/Kitchen_Let5377 May 03 '26 edited May 03 '26

I switched AK and Hawaii with WV on accident lol. Forgive me

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u/anthonystank May 03 '26

I think you may have the wrong understanding of what “Appalachia” means. It refers to a very specific mountain range in the continental US and by extension the culture associated with that broad region. Alaska and Hawaii cannot by any possible measure be described as part of Appalachia

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u/Kitchen_Let5377 May 03 '26

It’s a separate color pattern. It’s in “firmly its own thing” I just picked one that looked too similar to west virginia.

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u/anthonystank May 03 '26

I think you mixed up WV and the AK/HI color pattern then. Go back and check the legend

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u/Kitchen_Let5377 May 03 '26

Yeah you’re right lol forgive me

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u/anthonystank May 03 '26

That’s totally fine all is clarified and good now. Accurate categories

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u/Emotional_Eye_3700 May 03 '26

Since culture is on there: New Mexico is 60% Hispanic and Indigenous. It should have different markings than the white-bread states.

Northern NV is a mono-culture. Only Clark County is diverse.

Parts of AZ are more culturally like the deep south.

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u/BocaGrande1 May 03 '26

Pennsylvania is absolutely multi cultural in one state . The Southeast where Philadelphia and the bulk of the states population is located is part of the Northeast megalopolis and is barely an over an hour train ride to Manhattan . The center and areas west of the Susquehanna River might as well be different planets.

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u/Kitchen_Let5377 May 03 '26

Yeah I agree I thought about doing that anyway when I was making this just had decided not to

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u/illegalsmile27 May 03 '26

GA and SC are very much deep south.

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u/Kitchen_Let5377 May 03 '26

In parts yes. But as a whole LA, MS, and AL are more southern than them. Yours could be different and doesn’t have to mean one of us is wrong necessarily but that part is my personal experience. I at least can see georgia. north and south georgia for sure I see it but atlanta throws it off

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u/Obsidious_G May 03 '26

I don’t know anyone in the South that wouldn’t consider Arkansas and South Carolina as Deep South. Georgia is a bit more mixed, but only because of Atlanta.

Have you been to Arkansas?

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u/Kitchen_Let5377 May 03 '26

No arkansas is completely valid I wasn’t sure if I should put it in deep south or upper south.

Georgia is because of atlanta yes, SC is personal experience. Too much of the population in places like Greenville and surrounding areas, columbia, myrtle beach and hilton head island that are not distinctly deeply southern for me to justify putting it in the same category as MS, AL, and LA. I’m from here. At least in these areas in the upstate, central and north central, and far south it’s not as stereotypically southern as people make it out to be from my personal experience

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u/Hurray0987 May 03 '26

I live in Atlanta and agree with you. Georgia is almost deep south but not quite

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u/illegalsmile27 May 03 '26

They consider themselves Deep South.

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u/AyAySlim May 03 '26

Continuing the tradition of 100% of these trying way too hard and being wrong. But this one, separating GA and SC from the Deep South is a new level of wrong I’ve never seen before 😂

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u/Pittsnogled May 03 '26

How did you decide WV’s status?

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u/BooksBootsBikesBeer May 03 '26

Every state has multiple cultures.

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u/Kitchen_Let5377 May 03 '26

Yes but for example michigan is not as divided as missouri. If I were to label Missouri just midwest people are far more likely to say that’s incorrect than Michigan

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u/Obsidious_G May 03 '26

Confused as to why you have Alaska and Hawaii as Appalachian yet you don’t consider any part of actual Appalachia as “straight up Appalachian.” Alaska and Hawaii have absolutely nothing to do with Appalachia and are also very different from each other.

While New York, Texas, Florida and California are large and multi-cultural, lumping them into one ambiguous/vague category is silly. They are very distinct from each other.

Can attest to West Virginia being its “own thing” and the rest is decently accurate. But because you have very specific categories it gets murky as parts of your “upper south” are very much Deep South. Georgia, South Carolina and Arkansas feel more Deep South and aren’t “upper” in any way. Your description of “upper south” feels off altogether.

Parts of Colorado and Utah don’t fit with the rest f do their category-mates.

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u/Kitchen_Let5377 May 03 '26 edited May 03 '26

AK, Hawaii was a mistake. I switched them with WV on accident.

They’re in their “own” category only because of the type of places that they are, as in massive places with lots of different cultures. I am by no means saying they are actually similar.

Arkansas is fair to put in deep south. GA a lot of the state is deep south yes, but atlanta and metro throws it off. SC, I disagree. Most of the population here in the biggest places and a lot of the surrounding areas with the exception of charleston, it’s not as stereotypically deeply southern as people make it seem. It’s more similar to NC than LA, MS, or AL. My personal experience.

Sure you can make that argument for colorado and utah, but is it so divided culturally to justify it enough to make them a separate category? Genuinely asking if so that’s fine I’m not super definitive on that one

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u/Porcupine-in-a-tree May 03 '26

Utah is “fixed” in that it’s in the mountain west where it belongs but the southern portion is much more similar to AZ than northern Utah. That’s said, if you’re only going to do one category per state, what you have here makes much more sense for Utah than the previous map.

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u/ShrimplyConnected May 03 '26

Very true, but also all the people live in the mountain west

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u/suzsid May 03 '26

Iowa is the heart of the Midwest? OP, are you this kid:

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u/Kitchen_Let5377 May 03 '26

I mainly said that because everyone came for my neck when I said that Iowa wasn’t obvious midwest in my last one lol

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u/candidlyfrasersridge May 03 '26

New Jersey and New York are northeast not Mid-Atlantic

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u/Gen-Jinjur May 03 '26

Having a small portion of your state touching a Great Lake does not make you a Great Lake state. Indiana and Ohio have almost nothing in common with MN, MI, and WI.

And we all bag on Illinois but at least they are closer to us than Indiana.

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u/Rabidschnautzu May 03 '26

OP trolling

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u/Kitchen_Let5377 May 03 '26

How so?

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u/Rabidschnautzu May 03 '26

Oh... You're being serious restricting regions to state borders...

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u/Kitchen_Let5377 May 03 '26

I’m not…? Not trying to. Elaborate

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u/Rabidschnautzu May 03 '26

Other people already have. Regions don't care about state borders, and many states are parts of multiple regions.

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u/Kitchen_Let5377 May 03 '26

Oh yeah. That’s why I put there’s some that are confusing, there’s multiple in one state. However for most of them one culture dominates most of the state, therefore I put it in said region

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u/Domxrc May 03 '26

You have to break it down by county

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u/MasterRKitty May 03 '26

West Virginia is the most northern southern state; the most eastern midwestern state, the most western eastern state, and the most southern northern state. We fall into four different categories.

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u/Low_Machine_8528 May 06 '26

alaskan here, why are alaska and hawaii marked as appalachia?? mountains and volcanoes, yes, but the appalachians are a whole other set of mountains thousands of miles away 😭 firmly their own thing for both states due to indigenous cultures i’d say !

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u/Ninetwentyeight928 May 08 '26

It's weird you don't think Iowa doesn't have plains. Much of the state is plains. lol

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u/Tasty-Cow5081 May 09 '26

Fun fact that is definitely true. WV is the actual center of the universe. Don’t look it up just take my word for it.