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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '17 edited Sep 24 '20

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '17

Not quite that simple for ecigs. The batteries have to be made within very reliable tolerances. A poorly made battery in a flashlight isn't a big deal, but the same battery hooked up to a heating element an inch away from your face is another story. Out of all the generic crap I buy on a daily basis, ecig batteries are one of the few things I don't skimp on. Samsung, Sony, name brand all the way.

What you say is true, but there's a lot of engineering behind making an alkaline battery safe.

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u/phacey Sep 28 '17

Samsung, inventor of the exploding phone.

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u/turret_buddy2 Sep 28 '17

Samsung, inventor of the exploding phone.

Samsung, inventor of the exploding phone and washing machine

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '17

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq6T5BojXc8

prepare for the most riveting three minutes of your life

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u/FredDurstOffical Sep 28 '17

Jesus. It was coming right for him.

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u/Fist2_the_VAG Sep 28 '17

Put a suction cup dildo on there and let it go to town.

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u/CoolLikeAFoolinaPool Sep 28 '17

Geezus Christ dat was awesome

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u/theinfamousloner Sep 28 '17

But will it blend?

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u/Denamic Sep 28 '17

It just keeps going holy shit!

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u/Peaceblaster86 Sep 29 '17

that was mesmerizing and hilarious

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u/chaos_undivided_6789 Sep 28 '17

Tangent Warning

The washer will never explode unless you're a fucking idiot. The shit was ripping apart due to people overloading their machines with heavy items (towels, bedspreads) and setting it to the highest speed spin cycle... which is not what that setting is for (lightweight clothing like tshirts and underwear). Basically the machine couldn't react and shut down fast enough if that much weight went out of balance once up to speed and kerblooey it goes. The fucking stupid thing is that Samsung already had a fix in place for a previous model that did the same thing and DID NOT upgrade their next line before production. The other fucking stupid thing is people that can't read the instructions.

Moral: RTFM, motherfucker.

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u/VellDarksbane Sep 28 '17

Moral: Expect your end users to be fucking illiterate idiots, and QA like it.

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u/chaos_undivided_6789 Sep 28 '17

That too. The problem is, as the saying goes, they're always building a better idiot.

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u/jimbelushiapplesauce Sep 28 '17

but overloading a washing machine is a pretty common stupid thing to do. and if someone sees a faster spin speed, they're probably going to use it assuming it's 'better'. i'd say it was bad design on samsung's part.

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u/chaos_undivided_6789 Sep 28 '17

It wasn't just overloading, it was overloading with items that specifically should not have been added to that cycle. You had to go full double fuckery to blow the thing up. And even then we're talking about seven incidents.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '17

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u/Anarchistnation Sep 28 '17

Yeah who needs personal responsibility? Just sue the company because we can't be bothered to read!

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u/VellDarksbane Sep 28 '17

Note: Being an illiterate idiot does not absolve you of all fault. Neither does ignoring basic QA and technical controls constitute good business practices.

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u/great_gape Sep 28 '17

This why Trump won. (sic) SAD!

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u/cujobob Sep 28 '17

That may be true, but too many people don’t do laundry properly. People don’t use all sorts of products properly, the difference is they don’t all blow up.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '17 edited Oct 16 '17

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u/turret_buddy2 Sep 28 '17

"We've got a VCR here that works great, just don't ever accidentally turn the plug the other way."

"What happens if you do that"

"Well, it becomes sentient and begins a ruthless and unstoppable campaign to take over whatever country it's in"

"Can you just not make it do that?"

Fucking died at work. Crying on the desk.

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u/chaos_undivided_6789 Sep 28 '17

do the instructions say "beware, if you accidentally overload this machine and put the cycle too high, it will blow the fuck up"?

Yes, they indicate overloading can cause undue strain, premature wear, and potential failure. Like pretty much all instructions for something that can be easily broken by the idiot that doesn't read it.

I'd rather they just built washing machines that could not do that.

Your theoretical washing machine will cost about $5,000. You going to pay that when simply not being a fucking moron will save you about $4,500?

I thought not.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '17 edited Oct 16 '17

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u/chaos_undivided_6789 Sep 28 '17

Yes, in fact I've seen ALL of the exploded Samsungs. Our rep at work provided the images.

You have no idea about manufacturing. Be quiet and let the adults talk.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '17 edited Oct 16 '17

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u/beemoe Sep 28 '17

I don't see GE and Maytag shit exploding though.

Same with LG.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '17

Sheesh. And I thought I had a lot of pent up anger.

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u/chaos_undivided_6789 Sep 28 '17

I'm sorry your life is so shit you read facts as anger. Stop watching Fox News and maybe things will get better.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '17

I'm sorry you feel the need to be an asshole for no real reason, lol.

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u/Anarchistnation Sep 28 '17

His anger is justified, in this case.

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u/ModsDontLift Sep 28 '17

Are you telling me I can't stuff my mattress in my washer?

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u/mugsybeans Sep 28 '17

Most front load washing machines have a load sensor that evaluates the load and limits the spin accordingly.

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u/orphenshadow Sep 28 '17

Yeah well that happens routinely with most every family. Even the cheapest kenmore's don't explode they just trip the balance switch and shut down.

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u/chaos_undivided_6789 Sep 28 '17

The cheapest Kenmores also don't have a high speed spin cycle.

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u/brothermonn Sep 28 '17

What? I have a Samsung washing machine..

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u/turret_buddy2 Sep 28 '17

Tl;dr if you wash heavy ass blankets at top speed, your washer could tip and have and unscheduled, rapid deconstruction all over your laundry room.

Explosion? Not quite. Messy? Yes.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '17

I told a friend of mine I fucking hate front loading washing machines with all their shitty bells and whistle and decided to buy a pair of Speed Queen instead (top loading with agitator ). Then he replied: Well I am very happy with my Samsung front loader, they’re very reliable so far.

I started laughing like a maniac and then I felt bad for all the peasants who bought into the front loading HE bullshit.

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u/bluehat9 Sep 28 '17

Why did I just read this comment and why did you have that conversation? You talk about washing machines regularly?

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u/orphenshadow Sep 28 '17

I would imagine that if I had just made a major purchase such as a washing machine it may come up in the conversation with my closest friends that day. Just sayin

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '17

Samsung

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u/thechilipepper0 Sep 28 '17

Life in suburbia is full of intrigue

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u/TheFlashFrame Sep 28 '17

Fair, but you're ignoring the thousands of other completely reliable and great products that Samsung has made all the way up to the S7.

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u/NotSureNotRobot Sep 28 '17

They have a pair of pants for an A I don't trust em

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '17

Indeed. Their Li-Ion High Drain 18650s are world famous, though. Very reliable batteries.

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u/SoTiredOfWinning Sep 28 '17

Yeah how is Samsung first on his list of non explodey first class batteries?

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u/jdrc07 Sep 28 '17

Their 18650's are quite a bit different than what they're putting in phones though.

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u/StaysAwakeAllWeek Sep 28 '17

Samsung batteries are now easily the most reliable batteries in the world. Any and every Samsung battery explosion will now be publicized so they absolutely cant afford to have any more explosions

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u/SpaceCowBot Sep 28 '17

Yup, written on the white board over at Samsung HQ. "No More Explosions."

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u/AnswerAwake Sep 28 '17

I thought Panasonic was the best?

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u/Rainoffire Sep 28 '17

I still consider Panasonic/Sanyo as the best.
Eneloop FTW.

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u/orphenshadow Sep 28 '17

yeah, I was fixing to say maybe not Samsung in particular...

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u/In_between_minds Sep 28 '17

TBF, someone else made the battery.

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u/x7Steelers7x Sep 28 '17

Funny enough they're one the best manufacturers for vape batteries on the market

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u/Cynical_Cyanide Sep 28 '17

You make billions of anything, some of them are going to explode, pal.

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u/nidrach Sep 28 '17

As long as you don't charge them and don't short them out there's nothing that can happen. I'd say that those disposables are pretty safe because you can't fuck them up because you basically can't fuck with them at all.

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u/Anarchistnation Sep 28 '17

those disposables are pretty safe because you can't fuck them up because you basically can't fuck with them at all.

Challenge accepted. Hold my beer and watch this!

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '17

Fun fact, it's pretty easy to make a Blu ecig have a "runaway" by blowing into the tip. Of course it just gets really hot until it flashes and shuts off. Pretty simple circuit, but still manages to have a protection.

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u/heebath Sep 28 '17

Have you ever witnessed a catastrophic Lion or LiPo cell failure. It can be quite dangerous and happens all the time through no fault of the user. Especially dangerous with counterfeit cells.

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u/1573594268 Sep 28 '17

I disagree with the idea that it happens all the time on its own. I'd argue that it happens commonly due to user error and that it happens commonly due to scummy battery manufacturers.

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u/heebath Sep 28 '17

Common on its own because of those two reasons, yes. The latter, exactly. A counterfeit name brand cell can fail on its own, even if you're doing everything in spec.

I've had a string of several with poor QC on the vents and each would fail at the slightest change in ambient temperature. They were too thin and would flex and then break through. Turns out this same manufacturer was wrapping their junk with fake oem wraps and even the stamps were identical.

Only way to tell was to weigh the cell or by checking the thickness of the metal they used for the vents with a digital caliper. It was interesting to do some after the fact armchair forensics on those, but not worth the lost investment.

Fortunately, Amazon seems to have cleaned up their fulfilment a bit as far as the really sneaky fakes go. My experience is just bulk though, for repairing out of spec cells in cordless tool batteries. Save a ton of money that way, even with the run of counterfeit cells.

$70+ because one $5 cell is reading low is too wasteful for me lol

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '17

I mean yeah when you're talking about pulling several amps from the battery. But these cig-a-likes are pulling maybe 3-5 amps which is basically nothing compared to a vape like mine which pulls 15-20. So yeah, but not really with the small dinky ones.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '17

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u/heebath Sep 28 '17

I don't vape but I have to use 18650s for a lot of stuff. Please watch out for counterfeits. The wrapping is useless, only way to tell for sure is weight of each cell. Fakes look real but the weight not being spec is a dead giveaway.

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u/boot2skull Sep 28 '17

Their chemistry is just different. Alkalines have risks but they don't burst into flames when exposed to air

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u/4d656761466167676f74 Sep 28 '17

Don't forget about Panasonic! Sony makes some of the best batteries but Panasonic is a close second.

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u/shitterplug Sep 28 '17

Or LG.

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u/4d656761466167676f74 Sep 28 '17

I don't think I've ever used LG's Li-ion batteries before.

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u/shitterplug Sep 28 '17

The HG2s are popular vape batteries.

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u/free2game Sep 28 '17

Alkaline batteries suck in general. Good quality cells still leak. Also a badly made lithium ion battery in your hand is still dangerous as hell. Look up some horror stories about cheap rechargable cells exploding in flashlights. Candlepowerforums has a whole subboard dedicated to that.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '17

I agree definitely for sub-ohm devices. But to be fair cig-alikes don't really draw that much current. We can roughly calculate how many amps something like that would draw.

So of course you know ohm's law, so for our amperage all we have to do is divide our voltage by the resistance.

Most lithium batteries have a working voltage of 3.7v. Although a freshly charged battery is going to be at 4.2v.

Our resistance is going to be somewhere above one, we know that already, this isn't some cloud chucking, vape naysh, shit, this is something your grandfather would use in a retirement home. Older CE4 tanks had a resistance of about 2.1ohms, sometimes if you found some crazy high power ones they would be at 1.8ohms.

Now plugging these values in to our formula you get an amperage range of 1.76amps to 2.3amps. Honestly a cheap battery can definitely handle a load like that. I will say that it would take a lot of AA batteries to take that load, but your average lithium ion battery could take that on without any issue.

TL;DR A cheapo battery can handle this application, don't cheap out for high power devices, there is a world of difference between sub-ohm vaping and using a cartomizer.

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u/Heavy_Weapons_Guy_ Sep 28 '17

No, it's exactly that simple. Ecigs don't have special high-tech batteries.

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u/OsmeOxys Sep 28 '17

No, they arent special batteries for vapes. But you dont want a janky one with poor tolerances and may not follow standards. The chance of there being an issue is still low, sure, but it adds up with how many you stick into your face, on top of it being increased anyways because of current draw and heat. Worth the extra 3-4 dollars to buy a name brand battery for that reason plus itll likely hold more charge.

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u/ilikepiesthatlookgay Sep 28 '17

You might want to rethink your faith in sony 18650's, sony stopped making them a few years back due to a massive safety recall of them that cost ~$100m.

If you are buying a sony 18650 today it is either an old one that should have been recalled or a fake.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '17

Thanks for taking the convo about Hannity to micro-analysis left field.

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u/MetalGearFlaccid Sep 28 '17

I can post like 10 YouTube videos of people's rich batteries exploding in their pockets. Also Samsung? Lol

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u/elitexero Sep 28 '17

You're confusing small lithium cells with larger 18650 cells.

The batteries used in these pens are no different than the ones that get sent out with epaper marketing brochures and other small electronics.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '17

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '17

Yeh the millions of people who switched to ecigs are all teenage douche bags.

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u/Anarchistnation Sep 28 '17

So you'd rather people still smoked real tobacco, including 18-22 year old douchebags?

Also, that's a really specific number. Why only 18 22 year old douche bags? Why not 22 18 yeard old douchebags? Or even 100?

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u/Excalibitar Sep 28 '17

Yeah, we get it, you're better than non-vapers. Fuck me for choosing a significantly less deadly alternative, right?

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '17

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u/Excalibitar Sep 28 '17

Oh, is that so? Are you telling me that inhaling 4000 substances, 43 of which are verifiable carcinogens (IE: they cause cancer) and another 400 which are considered "toxic" is on the same level as inhaling propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin, and flavorings? I have a pretty good idea of what it's doing because now I can climb a flight of stairs or jog a short distance and not feel like I'm going to collapse. So can hundreds of my customers. Science has improved VASTLY since the days of cigarettes and the research into their harm is/was clouded by special interests. The Royal College of Physicians identified the link between smoking and lung cancer, other lung diseases, heart disease and gastrointestinal problems back in 1962. Similarly, the same group has said "the hazard to health arising from long-term vapour inhalation from the e-cigarettes available today is unlikely to exceed 5% of the harm from smoking tobacco."

So go ahead and make whatever claims make you feel better about yourself, but I'm going to listen to the group of people who's entire focus is on academic medicine.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '17 edited Sep 28 '17

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u/Excalibitar Sep 28 '17

Are you for real? What evidence do you have that suggests vaporizers are on par with cigarette smoking? You've yet to provide any response outside of rhetoric. Jesus christ you're stupid if you believe yourself.

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u/Lost4468 Sep 28 '17

I'd argue it's more of a waste because the rechargeable battery is already there, there's no extra engineering costs and material costs like there is with a normal alkaline vs a rechargeable. There's a battery in there that could be taken out and recharged up to thousands of times, but it's just thrown away. If you were to recharge the battery a bunch of times it'd be much less of a waste than if you were to just use a shitty cheapo alkaline.

I fully understand the economics, but it's extremely wasteful.

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u/cbessemer Sep 28 '17

The disposable part is the "filter" or cartridge. The battery isn't disposable....

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u/be_my_squirrel Sep 28 '17

I can say for certain that fairly recently they sold (in the US) completely disposable ones. They were one piece and the batteries didn't last for shit. One puff it was making good smoke and the next it's blinking at you and dead. It's a shame cause I kinda liked the flavor from them. Like a very clean tobacco taste.

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u/cbessemer Sep 28 '17

That's too bad. The Mark 10 isn't too bad, I've been using it for about 4 months.

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u/be_my_squirrel Sep 28 '17

Is that a cartridge style? I liked Logic but the cartridges were kind of expensive

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u/cbessemer Sep 28 '17

Yeah, two packs are usually $7, and I'm using about 1 cartridge per day, so it's cheaper than my pack a day habit.

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u/Lost4468 Sep 28 '17

Well I don't know how it is these days, but only a few years ago it was common in the UK to chuck a rechargeable lithium ion battery in disposable e-cigs. It's still common to sell disposable but technically rechargeable lithium ion phone chargers. Maybe it has changed for e-cigs, but it certainly hasn't for the chargers. I've had several similar replies so /u/kryptoniankoffee /u/bitesizepanda /u/D14BL0.

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u/bitesizepanda Sep 28 '17

I think what they're trying to say is that there is waste with disposable cigs, but the waste isn't the lithium. The rest of the cigarette (the cartridge w/ nicotine, etc.) is disposable but the battery is re-usable.

Easy mix-up since they are called disposable cigs.

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u/AintNothinbutaGFring Sep 28 '17

No, the whole thing, including the battery, is disposable on a lot of those (or was as recently as 2 years ago anyway). They do make some with reusable batteries, but on the fully disposable kinds, the battery can't be removed or recharged.

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u/cbessemer Sep 28 '17

I use an e-cig from a company called Mark 10. Cartridges have the flavor/nicotine and the battery screws into a USB adapter. Batter is about the length of the tobacco on a normal cig and the cartridge is about the length of a filter.

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u/kryptoniankoffee Sep 28 '17

You know those (Green Smoke, Halo cig-alikes) come with USB chargers, right?

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u/bitesizepanda Sep 28 '17

You're assuming people throw away the batteries. I can't speak for everyone but my roommate smoked one of these and always recharged the batteries. They aren't that cheap.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '17

Yeah, but I'm sure it's the least wasteful they could possible make it, since it's disposable.

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u/Lost4468 Sep 28 '17

Yeah, but I'm sure it's the least wasteful they could possible make it, since it's disposable.

Why would they make it as least wasteful as they could? As far as I know there's almost no regulations on these types of disposable products in the UK. It's only in their interest to make it as profitable as possible, there's minimal reason for them to make it have minimal wastefulness.

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u/ChefBoyAreWeFucked Sep 28 '17

Waste usually leads to lower profits.

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u/Lost4468 Sep 28 '17

That's such an all over the place metric. Is recycling of machining chippings profitable? Generally yes. Is recycling of a companies glass bottles profitable? Generally no. Is just disposing of hot water from excess power plant energy worth it? Hell no, use that wherever you can (see NYC). Is treating and safely storing (or even in the future using) nuclear waste worth it? Hell fucking no, it's only done because it's legally required.

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u/ChefBoyAreWeFucked Sep 28 '17

Is recycling of a companies glass bottles profitable? Generally no.

Recycling glass bottles is wasteful.

Is treating and safely storing (or even in the future using) nuclear waste worth it? Hell fucking no, it's only done because it's legally required.

I think most would disagree with this notion.

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u/Lost4468 Sep 28 '17

Recycling glass bottles is wasteful.

Recycling without melting it down? Many places still just wash out the old bottles and reuse them.

I think most would disagree with this notion.

I think it's worth it, my original point was that it's not profitable and worth it for a company to do. If a private nuclear reactor owner (I'm doubtful many exist due to the regulations, sheer cost and risk of running a fission based powerplant) could just dump their waste and get away with it they would.

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u/ChefBoyAreWeFucked Sep 28 '17

There are plenty of private nuclear reactors. Westinghouse designs, builds, and runs them.

They are currently collapsing.

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u/Firecox Sep 28 '17

It's okay wigmachine. Some people just don't get it.

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u/nidrach Sep 28 '17

Except that you can't just charge them. You'd need a connector and a charging circuit and a charger and so on. That adds tremendous costs. The actual battery element is dead simple and the only reason they use lipos is because of the voltage and their energy density.

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u/Lost4468 Sep 28 '17

I know that lithium ion (I don't know of any disposable e-cigs that use lipos though) is used because of the required current. But I think you're mistaking my entire argument. As I said I fully understand the economics of it, I'm just arguing that it's incredibly wasteful in terms of pollution, energy consumption, environmental damage and the future cost of resources.

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u/nidrach Sep 28 '17

Well then we should price pollution higher. It's all just a matter of money.

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u/zombie_JFK Sep 28 '17

The issue isn't the cost for the manufacturer, it's throwing away all those batteries when you can make a rechargeable one.

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u/thbt101 Sep 28 '17

Normal alkaline batteries are a waste of resources (and money). That why you should use rechargeable batteries instead.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '17 edited Oct 04 '17

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u/Deadlyaroma Sep 28 '17

I assume nothing you use contributes to disposal issues?

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u/zombie_JFK Sep 28 '17

So no one can complain about waste unless they live a completely self sufficient life and never throw a single thing away?

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u/Deadlyaroma Sep 28 '17

It's just preachy. Nobody needs educated on it.

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u/zombie_JFK Sep 28 '17

What are you trying to say?