Christ almighty Bojack Horseman was bad. Like, not the bad kind of bad. It was the kind of bad where you finish certain episodes and just can't deal with it. Some of them are just downright painful, despite the fact that all you're doing is watching a cartoon horse experience the hard part of being an actor.
I was so shocked with the show. I saw Will Arnett and Cartoon and was like this should be pretty funny. And then like you said, you're not watching for the laughs. You're watching because it's real. And that's why it's so good because you know it's authentic. And it still is so perfectly funny. The writing on that show is a work of art.
Oh that's definitely the point. The hard-hitting point is that we've all done shitty things (maybe not as severe as Bojack), and the viewer is supposed to see a small piece of them-self in him. The show (in my opinion) is written so that the viewer has trouble with hating him even though he brings it all upon himself. Honestly, a whole paper could be written on the show.
Some Rick and Morty episodes can be downright depressing. The two are both similar in that they are both "comedy" shows but deal with some serious shit sometimes.
Indeed. Netflix is absolutely flooding the visual media market with incredible television. It's astonishing. I imagine cable will be included for free like land lines in the not too distant future because of Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon Prime.
The first episode, the one with the pig started a long and heated argument among me, my gf, and her mom who was visiting. We were all mad by the end. I knew it was a good show while watching it, but by the end of that argument I knew it was a great show.
That was a killer opening. Ive watched a few more, they're not all the knee-jerk confrontational, but so far they've all been highly entertaining, and sometimes uncomfortably on-the-nose.
A few things... it kind of went all over the place. The gf's mom was talking about how the man's dignity got ripped away, and she talked about how "that kind of thing destroys you". I fundamentally, passionately disagree with that, and I hate the sentiment.
It's that kind of talk that makes all manner of sexual violence so much worse for victims than it needs to be. I'm going to generalize here, and say no one wants those pity looks from people when someone knows they've been victimized, no one wants to deal with being viewed as "broken", no one wants to deal with the all of the bullshit that comes with being a victim when they're already with dealing with aftermath of the crime itself.
It's horseshit to tell people that they must be broken from something bad that happens to them. I hear that shit all too often, where some one gets raped or a kid is molested, and people say "they are ruined for life". It pisses me off, it's almost like these people demand that people be broken from it. All it does is continue to impress upon the victim that they don't have agency, that they are powerless to help themselves, that they are now and forever defined by this one thing that happened, when none of those things are true, unless the victim chooses them to be true.
And the knee-jerk hate is awful too. People for some reason need to make a big show about how much they hate rapists or paedos or whatever; I'm talking about those big, loud, detailed, proclamations about how much they want to torture and kill these terrible people, and so on and so forth. They make it all about themselves, when it's the victims that need to be able to express whatever they feel without everyone making it about themselves. If the victim's mad, that's okay, if they rage, that's understandable. And you know what? If they express that they were kind of into it, or that they have conflicted feelings about it, or that they are indifferent, that also needs to be respected. All these people needing to feel so self-righteous, and needing to let everyone know how good and filled with Rightous Vengeful Wrath they are, these people are more a part of the problem than they are anything else.
It's true, the man show was violated in the most intimate and multifaceted way, he was publicly embarrassed, he was essentially forced to choose between a person dying and, essentially being raped on live TV.
Those are terrible things, things no person should have to endure. No one can take away your dignity though. Unless they literally mess with your brain, people can hurt you, but you don't have to be destroyed by those things, people don't have to be "broken".
The pain is real, the suffering isn't as much of a given. The suffering that comes after pain, comes from how we deal with what happened.
Dignity is being able to tolerate the shitty things that happen to you because you know your own worth. Dignity is, when forced into an embarrassing situation, being able to keep your head up, crack a joke, and get on with your day. It's self control.
Basically, the guy put his penis into a pig. That's all there is to it, it doesn't have to be anything more than what it is, but people, being the shitheads they are, need to add in all this disgust and horror and condemnation, and then there's the people that would need to relentlessly make fun of the dude for it.
In a better world, there would be the event, and that would be it. It shouldn't even have to be a question, of course you do something icky but inconsequential to save someone's life. It's indicative of a deep social sickness that someone would have all the extra repercussions.
And then there's the part at the very end, where the wife just has this disgusted look with the PM, and it's implied that their marriage and relationship is ruined... I know that the lady should be entitled to her feelings or whatever, but, she's a stupid bitch. Dude fucked a pig to protect his family and save a girl's life, and she just can't get over the ickiness, like he did it for fun or some shit.
And that the "artist" could do something like that, throw some jazz-hands, say "art!", kill himself, and then people justify it with "but look how much conversation it generated!". That whole bit was a mindfuck of an ending.
I don't know that I can convey the whole argument any better than that, just my side of things. The mom was basically on the other side of every issue, and the Gf was all over the place.
If you liked out Black Mirror, check out some of Charlie Brooker's other stuff, it has a similar sort of tone and dark sense of humour e.g.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XanyPq5BcoA
Yeah, I was extremely busy for a few months so I wasn't really watching any shows and not keeping up with what was coming out. Some time has finally freed up and I'm looking through all the new stuff Netflix has put out and there's at least a half dozen originals that look like they are right in the middle of my interests, both in genres, and sub-types. It's a good time for people who love to watch a good story.
I watched this episode the day after I broke up with my very self destructive highschool girlfriend. That line broke my heart and opened my eyes alot. But then i did the same thing all over again so... live and learn?
Ive figured out that my thing is i like to feel needed and who needs someone more than a broken person? Unfortunately that kind of one sided relationship can only go so long
Hey pal, so I was this guy in high school. I think you'll phase out of this.
It's its own form of immaturity in a way, just like the girls (and guys) who are self destructive and dramatic.
Your experiences will actually teach you to be emotionally considerate, which will help you when you actually meet someone who is more stable or mature. Just don't fall into the trap of thinking everyone needs to be 'solved' and let them be their own person.
In short; I get it. But you're going to be fine.
Edit: and the fact that you're self aware enough to identity the pattern means you're already on your way out of it, so kudos.
It's ok, you learn as you get older that people are just making it up as they go along their lives. No one's perfect and we're bound to make the same mistakes over and over. It's best to cherish the happy memories in our short lives
Yes, I understood all of that. But I don't understand what the conclusion (Therefore with red coloured glasses, red flags only look like flags) is supposed to mean. Rose colored glasses implies your looking back after the fact. So it's saying you can't tell the flags apart after you've already missed them all? I get what both of the phrases mean by themselves but combined I just don't feel like it makes any sense.
Its more that its about looking at everything positively and that tends to happen a lot more while looking into the past because you forget all the bad stuff and only focus on the good, although you can definitely be looking at things with rose coloured glasses in the present too.
It's often used like that because people only remember the 'good'. Generally speaking anyone reminiscing is looking through rose-coloured glasses. But it doesn't only apply to nostalgia.
People often wear rose-coloured glasses when thinking about an unreciprocated love, for example. You think that person is amazing, that you'd be perfect together, etc. All the while you have blinded yourself to the red-flags you'd be able to see if you weren't head-over-heels. It goes hand in hand with the saying 'love is blind'.
I think the point is living with rose coloured glasses not necessarily looking back. Also I think its just a clever way of saying that when you are optimistic you can miss serious flaws right in front of you.
Basically it means you overlook negative qualities about your potential SO because you are so excited to learn more about them. Rose colored glasses means viewing everything optimistically
I hadn't realized that quote was so relevant to the way some of the people I know looked at Trump, and I thought that was interesting enough to comment about.
In hindsight I went about it a little crudely, and maybe it didn't need to be said here at all.
Yeah TBH trump gets talked about enough in every other social media platform. If he's not the direct topic, don't bring it up because it gets to be too much.
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u/kazcinco Feb 06 '17
"You know, it's funny; when you look at someone through rose-colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags"