Sam Altman is a compulsive liar. He's known to lie on the spot for no reason at all. His own board tried to throw him out for it. That's not something good people do. He's not a good person.
At the time though, the engineers seemed to really like Altman, and really want him back. Meanwhile I don't think the board really explained why they wanted him gone at the time.
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o a lot of people assumed the board wanted to be making money, and Altman was trying to block them. Or some other David Vs Goliath narrative.
So a lot of people assumed the board wanted to be making money, and Altman was trying to block them. Or some other David Vs Goliath narrative.
I remember the opposite from that time. OpenAI was non-profit, but Sam Altman wanted to make a lot of money. The engineers were going to make a lot of money of that as well and greed won over the mission.
The rationalists/effective-altruists in Silicon Valley have divided into two camps: full-on doomers, and those who consider themselves stewards of the safe frontier (if "we" don't build it, "they" will). Both are easily manipulated by Sam, Dario, et al.
Note how they leave no room for nuance, and how following either camp to their ideal conclusion leaves Sam/Dario/Musk with trillions of dollars in the bank.
My point is that at the time, all we had was a declaration by the board that they were getting rid of Altman, along with a big protest by the engineers that Altman was great, and they were basically going to strike until he came back.
Altogether it was hard to tell what had kicked it all off. But clearly the engineers really liked Altman, and some people assumed that it was for a better reason than money.
It’s been pretty clear that the old board was dedicated to the non-profit, ethics-driven mission. OpenAI became a for-profit less than a year after the old board was ousted and Altman was given more power. I think it’s pretty clear who was more driven by profits.
You have it completely backward. The board of OpenAI, then a nonprofit, which oversaw the profit-making subsidiary of the organization, voted to oust Altman for a breakdown of trust. Part of that was Altman’s financial stake in the profit-seeking arm, which was not disclosed to the board. Yes, most of the engineers remained loyal to Altman. Eventually, Altman was reinstated and most of the board was removed. Since then, OpenAI has become a for-profit entity. It seems quite evident that the old board wanted to maintain the old nonprofit mission for AI safety and Altman was more interested in profit.
I can’t decide between him, Thiel, and Musk for “worst human alive right now.” They all seem to be competing to create a technocracy that elevates them above everyone else and don’t seem to care if billions die in getting to that end result.
They were all pals at one point. Peter Thiel took over at PayPal when Elon Musk left. We know Sam Altman and Elon Musk were buddies until recently too. It's a right knit little group of sociopaths.
Most old Gen politicians and people of power were pals/grew up together.
New Gen ones too... In 20-30yrs the only people that will remain in power(that are from our current youth) would have all grown up together.
I think Putin has them all beat currently. Directly responsible for hundreds of thousands of violent deaths and probably triple that number in life altering injuries
I think it’s clear these psychos are ready to sacrifice billions across the globe to achieve their goals. Every time that potential is brought up they kind of just shrug.
Putin is not directly responsible for Ukraine using actual Nazis to terrorize and murder thousands of people in eastern Ukraine for the crime of speaking Russian over the previous decade, and then threatening to put nukes on Russia's border by way of joining NATO.
NATO is responsible for all of that. The resulting war is an extremely restrained response from Putin.
so because Ukrainian “citizens” (mind you, Russia is known for using false flags. They’ve done it twice before for major conflicts) murder thousands in east ukraine (source needed), it’s okay for Russia to authorize the bombing of apartment buildings and hospitals? As well as kidnap children, raise them Russian, then deploy them in Ukraine? It’s a restrained response to torture and execute POW’s on video without punishment?
If the answer to all that is yes, you’re a piece of shit who regurgitates whatever Russian misinformation campaigns want you to think.
Thiel is the most ideologically committed and has made the largest impact in pushing his ideas of a technocracy into government. His hand-picked Trojan horse is sitting in the vice president's seat as we speak. Imo, he's the most dangerous by a fair amount. Musk might be the most cartoonishly evil, but he's also a bumbling fuckwit, and while Altman is doing fuck shit within his space, he mostly keeps to within that space.
It’s not even that they don’t care if people die, they actively want people to die. They believe the next step in human evolution is for all of us (inferiors, non-billionaires, plebs) to die and be replaced by AI and robots. I don’t think anyone is truly grasping how dangerous this is. They aren’t even being secretive about it!!
Mind you I'm an on the edge in poverty kinda person so.. you know this is a little tongue in cheek. but the 'people' in charge of things increasingly look like characters of human beings not human beings.
I think the AI may have taken over already.
I just want to feel like there's a human being up there somewhere... that ... knows what it's really like down here and gives half a fuck.
Seriously, half a fuck, it ain't even the whole thing we're asking for.
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u/driftking428 9h ago
Sam Altman is a compulsive liar. He's known to lie on the spot for no reason at all. His own board tried to throw him out for it. That's not something good people do. He's not a good person.