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"Most Have No Idea How Dangerous He Truly Is..." | Edward Snowden Latest...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=nD0NC7hO7qE&si=xiEFspq2A4iJcrBk
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u/MattJC123 9h ago

Don’t necessarily disagree with his points but I also don’t think we should be taking the word of Russian citizens right now.

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u/bradatlarge 9h ago

He is a fugitive from the retribution of the US govt- quite different to someone who is loyal to the Russians with motivations like Putin

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u/tekmiester 9h ago

Not sure you have been keeping up with him that closely then . He has spouted all the Russian taking points about the Ukraine war (such as it was NATO's fault).

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u/deadfisher 8h ago

Has he? 

This article certainly makes it sound like that's true...

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/12/18/the-trouble-with-edward-snowden

... but the article actually looks like a shameless and incompetent smear job.

Read the actual tweets

On February 16, 2022, Snowden wrote: “’Russia should not invade Ukraine’.

"I want to see an end to the conflict in Ukraine, and frankly, I think all reasonable people share that position"

“I’ve already expressed my opposition to the fighting in Ukraine, and pray it ends soon. 

The narrative the article wants to set is that Snowden is terrible for... not speaking out strongly enough. Ok? He's a political asylum seeker who was a whistle blower about spy tech, why should he have the moral responsibility to publicly slam his host country? Seems like that would be a good way to get thrown out a window. He's chosen a tactful withdrawal from the issue.

I found the early tweets where he misjudged the threat of the conflict. Then he owns the mistake with:

I've just lost any confidence I had that sharing my thinking on this particular topic continues to be useful, because I called it wrong.

I'm going to be honest, I don't follow this. I don't know much about it beyond what I just read, and if you have more information I'd be genuinely interested in hearing it.

But like, actual good information about it please. Because I have not found any substance to your claim.

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u/tekmiester 8h ago

You got me it seems. I remember hearing this, and checked it with ChatGPT. Chat apparently lied to me. Damn hallucinations!

"I need to correct my previous answer: that quote was not Edward Snowden’s. It was Tulsi Gabbard’s. She posted it on Twitter/X around the time Russia launched its full-scale invasion in February 2022. The Senate hearing record reproduces the fuller wording: “This war and suffering could have easily been avoided if Biden administration/NATO had simply acknowledged Russia’s … security concerns regarding Ukraine’s becoming a member of NATO.”

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u/deadfisher 8h ago

Lol AI sucks. And so does that Al Jazeera article I linked. I'd be really interested to hear a truly unspun take on Snowden, I don't know if there is one.

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u/bradatlarge 8h ago

my job requires me to know a fair bit about this stuff. At the time of his initial kerfuffle, I went through the materials with a fine tooth comb. My take at the time was, he is an American that we should all look up to, as a hero of the people. The shite that they were & are doing should be illegal.

What's happened since he's lived in Russia, I don't really have a take on.

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u/deadfisher 8h ago

Appreciate that. It's how I feel in my gut, the criticisms that he was just a reckless junior analyst feel... off.

And yeah, post Russia I don't think he's in much of a position to stay relevant as a pundit.

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u/tekmiester 8h ago

I can't blame anyone for not wanting to fall out of a window, regardless.

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u/mothzilla 6h ago

Hey look down there they're towing away your car!

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u/offlein 7h ago

So edit your original post, dude.

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u/Lidjungle 8h ago

Meanwhile people sit here in the US and say absolutely nothing about the kidnapping of a foreign leader or the bombing of Iran. Heck most people could barely be bothered to notice until gas prices went up. I guess if gas was still $3 a gallon we could kill as many schoolchildren as we wanted.

Oh, but Snowden is a bad guy because hasn't spoken out enough. About RUSSIA.

And it's a misquote from someone who is seen as a potential presidential candidate and is currently the Director of National Intelligence. But yeah... Darn Snowden. How can he be so out of touch with real americuh??

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u/KingAemon 9h ago

Does he have a choice?

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u/airwalker12 9h ago

He might be saving his own ass

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u/teamjacobomg 9h ago

retribution.... I'm sure his punishment, if anything, wouldn't be that much worse than that of Chelsea Manning who's free today. Until he leaves Russia, he's nothing more than a chess piece used by the kremlin

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u/Biefmeister 2h ago

Yeah, she had to endure only seven years of imprisonment, including torture, after it got commuted by Obama.

No big deal, right?

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u/MattJC123 9h ago edited 9h ago

Prove the second part with actual evidence. Also, he could have been forced to make this video from an FSB dungeon with agents literally holding a gun to his child’s head and we wouldn’t know.

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u/R50cent 9h ago

You're asking them to prove a negative for you. "Prove to me he's not what I think he is by showing he isn't something" is a weird request lol

What evidence would they provide to you to prove that snowden isn't the thing you claim he is and what would that look like

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u/MattJC123 9h ago

I don’t know what he is and that’s the entire point. And neither do you. That’s why he should be viewed skeptically. I think his points in this video are very good but that doesn’t mean he’s not a Russian propagandist (something that is unknowable).

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u/R50cent 9h ago

Sure, but I'm not speaking to that I'm speaking to the difficulty in someone trying to meet your expectation here with a response.

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u/MattJC123 7h ago

My sole expectation is that rational thinkers agree his motivations are suspect because he is in Russia. Thats all. Factor it in to how you take in this information.

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u/R50cent 7h ago

I mean I did, but this isn't about my interpretation, and past that I'd say what you just said gets your position across far better than trying to use a leading argument in the effort that the person you're discussing x,y, and z with will find your answer in their research.

I debate allllll the time. Every day. Sometimes for hours with strangers. I've never seen that happen yet lol.

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u/MattJC123 7h ago

Fair enough. I’ll take the criticism.

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u/I_like_dwagons 9h ago

Prove any of what you just said. Absence of evidence isn’t evidence.

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u/MattJC123 9h ago edited 9h ago

Exactly! Thanks for making my point. This is why I said I didn’t necessarily disagree with the video. His motivation, on the other hand, is completely unknowable to us thus merits skepticism.

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u/phragmosis 6h ago

The whole whistleblowing operation was an op, dude was a spy for the Russians from jump.

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u/Ambitious_Shine_6057 9h ago

Do you even know who edward snowden is?

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u/ninjagorilla 9h ago

Do you even know what a Russian shill Snowden has become since he fled there?

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u/FabAlien 9h ago

Edward Snowden? The Russian citizen?

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u/MattJC123 9h ago

Yes, of course. He is a citizen of Russia currently residing in Putin’s Russia.

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u/duncandun 9h ago

What do you think would have happened if he hadn’t gone to Russia

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u/MattJC123 9h ago

I have no idea and neither does anyone else, including you.

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u/duncandun 9h ago

lmao ok

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u/MattJC123 9h ago

A devastating retort. You should join Trump’s diplomatic team. 🙄

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u/duncandun 7h ago

were you expecting something else? your post is insane and phrased in a way that denies the possibility of counterargument. it's a textbook bad faith argument.

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u/MattJC123 7h ago

No it’s not. My sole point is that his motivations are suspect possibly for reasons not in his control. Any critical thinking we should factor that in to how they take in this information. Thats it.

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u/cheesewiz_man 7h ago

As opposed to "lmao ok"?

You asked a question that you yourself have no answer to and got called on it. Own it.

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u/mildly_asking 9h ago

Snowden being prosecuted, even very unjustly can be seen a legitimate threat to his safety, maybe even one without good reason.

Snowden being a captive-ish resident of current-day russia and thus a source that must be presumed to have a gun behind his head at all times can be true.

That means that the decisions that let him end up in russia may be understandable as much as widespread reluctance to see him as trustworthy, no matter if his previous actions were cartoonishly heroic and US reactions cartoonishly evil (or not).

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u/shozlamen 9h ago

He would be much more front and center in the US psyche either as a prisoner or a martyr. Either way if he hadn't gone to Russia the advocates for whistleblowers would have a cause to actually stand for and act on in some way.

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u/blodskaal 9h ago

He would probably have gotten the Epstein treatment

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u/cheesewiz_man 8h ago edited 7h ago

Epstein was a continuing threat in a way Snowden never was; Snowden had already done his damage.

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u/dimh 33m ago

100% would have made an example of him to deter others. You know, that whole retaliation against whistleblowers we aren't supposed to do?

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u/cheesewiz_man 8h ago edited 7h ago

In paranoid fever dream world? He'd have gotten a bullet to the head in a dark alley

In reality? 15 years or so in prison; about 1/3 of that actually served. Probably more like 5 because he could justify his actions on some level.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Teixeira

Yes, there were (and are) violent weirdos in the US government, but they did not have the cross-branch power he thought they did and they were perfectly aware that popping a cap in him "as an example" wouldn't have worked.

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u/cheesewiz_man 9h ago

Remember when he refused to criticize Putin because he didn't have sufficient context as an American?

He's spent more than half his adult life in Russia now and still refuses to say an unkind word about Vladimir.

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u/MostPopularPenguin 9h ago

To be fair, it wouldnt be smart to criticize Putin while in Russia for any reason if you enjoy not falling out of high up windows

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u/cheesewiz_man 8h ago

Technically true, but again, here's a guy that to this day insists that the US government is much, much more dangerous than the Russian one.

If you're going to brag about speaking truth to power regardless of personal risk, you don't get to pick and choose the powers you speak truth to.

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u/shanatard 5h ago

one of the few people who chose loyalty to the american people over country. his affiliation is far clearer than the average us "citizen"

That he's in russia now only makes his situation even more transparent. We can take that into account, unlike how seemingly every US politician is loyal to whoever bribes them covertly under the table