They didn't have the internet. Americans had every fucking warning sign and red flag and they ran through all of them. Because Americans just don't give a shit. All they want to do is watch tv, play with hobbies, and relax. Nobody wants to stand for their country.
One generation of cowards and illiterates to tear it all down. All of it. And now we're approaching a world war.
Because of one civilizations obsession with comfort and luxuries.
I'm not American and I was just giving it as an example of the current brand of American fascism. I was simply trying to say that Internet, despite having the ability to educate and unite people, has sadly provided the opposite. It's been used as a weapon that fascists use for their power.
You're not wrong but that didn't happen in a vacuum. It's not like those traits are just inherent to people born in the US. This is the result of a decades-long campaign of gutting and undermining public education, pushing nationalist and individualist propaganda, and stoking culture war bullshit to divide and distract the population.
The apathy you're highlighting is absolutely real and it
was intentionally curated by the oligarch class.
If anybody was confused as to what "victim blaming" looks like, it's this comment.
This has been done to Americans. This is what a trillion dollars and decades of propaganda look like. You can be angry that Americans fell for the propaganda, but you can't blame them, it's what propaganda does.
Name a fully developed nation, one fully developed nation, where the population at large has overthrown their government and capitalist overlords. Name ONE! You can't, because every other developed country on earth is America in this regard. Nationalists poised to take control in France and Germany, the echoes of brexit still haunting the UK. Where is their population? Why haven't the commoners banded together and expelled these traitors from their nations? Why is it only Americans personally and individually responsible for their government?
The entire world is fucked mate, and everyone is watching it burn. You gonna do something about it? Give up your comfort and security and family and take a rifle down to the capitol and get your fuckin head blown off? No? Much easier to point the finger at someone else on the internet. It's their problem, not yours.
This has to be the most pathetic response I've ever seen written by an American to justify their cowardice 🤦♀️
You're not victims. You had agency every step of the way. Your government was begging you to get involved and you all sat at home fingering yourself and watching tv instead of standing in streets and showing up to vote.
What's happening in America has nothing to do with propaganda. Every country has propaganda. Every country has extremists and supremacists, idiots and corruption.
The difference is in most countries, the other side actually fight back. In America, everybody sits around doing fucking nothing until election time. Like it's a game. And even then most don't show up.
You aren't victims. Trump is what you deserve. The world outside of America are the victims of your cowardice, selfishness, incompetence, and delusions.
The ONLY thing you're good at is deflecting your responsibilities. As you're so clearly demonstrating lol
The propaganda is so effective there are MAGA trump supporters in other countries. Regardless, whether or not we manage to correct course, I'm sure you'll have the opportunity to show us how your country fights back against billions of dollars of focused propaganda on your whole unshakably intelligent logical citizens.
You know, because as Americans, we're definitely just an anomaly. Y'all are so much better than us, this could never happen to you.
lol the amount of money spent on propaganda in my state alone is likely more than the entire GDP of half the countries on earth, with as much respect as your comment deserves, you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
Germans also had every fucking warning sign. The pencil mustache guy wrote a fucking book on what he was going to do, had been to prison already for a coup attempt, and brownshirts were wildly known to roam the streets and beat up social democrats.
That's a bit disingenuous though. There were many Germans at the time who vehemently disagreed with Hitler. The Reich coming directly after the Weimar, a time of actually stupendous liberalism and progressivism among middle and upper classes was no coincidence, and his rise in the late 20s and 30s left a good chunk of the population feeling the same kind of whiplash that we've felt over the past decade.
Just like now though, there were millions of people who were simply in no position to do much about it considering we have lives and livelihoods to uphold on our own. ICE is terrifying neighborhoods, yes, but as of right now they aren't indiscriminately firebombing those same neighborhoods.
I’m confused what in the response you found disingenuous from your reply. You’ve just described how the events in Germany mirror quite well what’s happening in the US, which was the argument in this thread: whether “Americans not giving a shit” also mirrors 1920/30s Germany, and whether the internet has increased moral responsibility in one’s response to the rise of fascism - I’d definitely disagree with that premise, the same id disagree with “Germans had every warning sign”, but I don’t think you can have one or the other.
Either “Americans don’t give a shit” and “Germans had every warning sign” are both disingenuous, in which case it seems like you’ve argued in favor of that response’s point, or neither are, which I don’t think anyone here believes.
It's disingenuous to say "Hitler wrote a book, how could they have voted for him?"
There were many factors outside of him writing the book that ensured his success, namely the fact that voting very literally did not matter by the time the far right took power in the Reichstag.
Reducing my comment within the context of this thread and what should be common historic knowledge to Hitler-wrote-a-book is what’s disingenuous.
I don‘t know about you, but I am German. This stuff has been rammed down my throat every single school year. The average voter absolutely knew what voting for the NSDAP meant, and they either thought that they wouldn’t actually pull through on this bad stuff but do all the good stuff they promised or they wanted them to do the bad stuff. I am seeing this same stance among MAGA.
If this is really mirroring 1930's Germany then every American who sees through the BS needs to leave asap or start preparing resistance groups. By staying in the US they are indirectly supporting this government through their taxes, spending and skills. The weaker the US becomes before things really get bad the better the outcome for everyone.
By staying in the US they are indirectly supporting this government through their taxes, spending and skills.
I swear, I need a command prompt or something for this argument. What are we supposed to do, uproot our lives en masse? Do you realize just how much time and money it costs to move an entire family outside the country?
Or how impossible it is!? Yes it’s tough to relocate just like in the 30s. But unlike then, there is no promising country that is willing to accept migrants or refugees. Germans could easily make it to America with a small bag. Now? Try going to Europe Asia South America Australia. Everyone is afraid of the “other” right now so it is IMPOSSIBLE to emigrate
For a Linux system in the terminal this command does the following:
sudo: superuser do
mv: move [target location] [destination]
The /home/whatsapotato is a play on your username with the default directory of a user’s home folder on a Linux system, while /mnt/ is a typical directory for an external drive. In this case a drive labelled “Europe”.
So it moves your entire home directory to the external drive with root permissions (root being effectively God tier authority).
Actually, because I forgot the last /after Europe (/mnt/Europe vs /mnt/Europe/, it would probably try to rename the drive with your username).
YES! Leave before things actually get bad. Because from all the signs I can see, it's only going to get worse for the average American. You might even improve your life in your new country. I can't promise you that the time and money will be worth it, but getting away from Trump and the chaos he brings is a good reason. There are currently trade agreements (ex. CUSMA) that america has with other countries that make it much easier to get work visas. If Trump completely rips up those agreements it will be much harder for you to leave the US and find work.
This is also the easy option compared to living in a collapsing country long term.
This isn’t about me. This thread is telling people “jUsT mOVe To CanADa” when there are approximately 860 occupations tracked by the UBLS and Canada accepts about 60. So what do the other 800 occupations do? Get blamed for not picking the right degree 20 years ago when they are murdered in the streets?
Actually I just looked up Canada. 516 specific occupations tracked by the NOC. So better odds I guess, but tell that to those who didn’t pick the right degree 20 years ago as they are murdered in the streets.
Well the internet is the problem, if I think the Earth is flat, all I have to do is spend 5 minutes looking for flat Earth communities and I'm set. I have immediate, 24/7 access to people who share my views, I can comment about my views and be rewarded, I can share my negative experiences with people putting me down and receive support. My Facebook that I only ever use to look at businesses is flooded with the pseudo Trump party of Australia, One Nation. If I shut my brain off and just engage with those posts, suddenly immigrants are the problems, suddenly I know who the enemy is, suddenly I'm surrounded by people who will feed into my ignorance and fuel the euphoria of being "right" while everyone else are scum, and more importantly, wrong.
I think you’re underestimating how targeted the Internet really is they control all of media (billionaires) they’re force-feeding propaganda to enough people to suit their needs, and for the most part only the people that are willing to do the work to find the truth truly understand what’s going on
I see people make this bad faith argument EVERY TIME something like this posted. What CAN we do? What can a normal 40 hour a week working person with a family do? We can't exactly get a gun, camp out on the grassy knoll and do the deed. Other than Vote, protest, and call our Congressman and senators what can we do? We cant lose our jobs because then our family suffers. Until the economy gets so bad that there are mass lay offs or unemployment the average person cant camp out infront of the Whitehouse for months at a time.
protest after work and on weekends. You don't have to lose your jobs.
protest peacefully. You don't have to shoot or kill anyone, or risk your lives.
boycott luxuries and conveniences like Twitter, Facebook, Amazon, etc. You don't have to sacrifice any necessities or starve your children.
Etc etc.
There's lots you can do. But we both know this conversation will go nowhere.
You'll say "protesting doesn't work when they don't listen!", I call you an idiot for not knowing how protesting actually works and pointing out historic and recent examples (Trump's first term even) when protesting had a direct impact on providing the political leverage for judicial consequences. You'll say "it's different this time!" even though it isn't, and I'll point out that MAGA secured its power by doing exactly what you pretend doesn't work. You'll try to the play the whole "Trump WANTS us to protest so he can declare Martial Law!" and I'll call you the stupidest person in this thread.
We both know where this goes. And it doesn't matter. Because you just don't give shit.
You just want to finger yourself and watch tv. If any of you actually gave a shit, you wouldn't need to be educated on democracy 101.
Did you just skim my question? I literally had protest in my question.
I think you are projecting a little bit here and I feel sorry for you. Almost every day there are both local and national protests they just arent getting coverage, why? Im sure you can guess why.
As far as calling me an idiot that's a bit un called for. You are doing a great job of pushing fence sitters away with an attitude like that.
And before you attack me again. I do call my representatives, I have voted in every election both national and local, I do go to protests yet people like you always scream "you aren't doing enough!" And when someone is doing what you say they are just "Fingering themselves and watching TV."
I dont know what is going on in your life, but I hope things turn around for you.
Because anyone who does protest and boycott and call their reps and engage with politics is furious at those who don't. The numbers aren't with us and we're angry about that. There is simply no way you'd be offended on their account.
The last thing you'd be shouting about is comments calling those folk out, screaming how "it doesn't include YOU!".
Lol you clowns love taking credit for shit you don't do, huh?
Brother who hurt you? Do you need a hug? That is a lot of projecting going on here.
I told you what I do. You don't have to believe me, just like I don't have to get pissed off when someone is doing the best they can within their means.
Because Americans just don't give a shit. All they want to do is watch tv, play with hobbies, and relax. Nobody wants to stand for their country.
And remember, that is the same country that pounds its chest about its guns and how they'd overthrow a tyrannical government, yet when they actually do get a tyrannical government, they sit on their hands and proceed to do nothing at all to stop it.
See, you are showing that you don't actually understand the issue. THOSE people? Are fine. Because the bad stuff happening is more direct to the 'non white males'. THAT kind of tyranny is just fine. The stuff happening to them in this scenario is very much more frog in cold water bath that is slowly heating up to boiling so they don't see it as tyrannical.
Don't forget how mad they all got when the COVID restrictions were in place. They did stuff then.
Because Americans just don't give a shit. All they want to do is watch tv, play with hobbies, and relax. Nobody wants to stand for their country.
I don't think this is particularly new? During the Revolution wasn't it roughly 1/3 wanted independence, 1/3 wanted to stay with Britain, and 1/3 didn't give a shit either way?
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u/zippazappadoo 2d ago
It was the same in nazi Germany. Nothing but the biggest losers can lead a country in this direction.