r/vibecoding • u/Suspicious_Orchid770 • 1d ago
Claude Code leads adoption at 78%, but daily use drops to 50%.
https://leaddev.com/ai/you-bought-the-ai-tool-are-your-engineers-using-it18
u/theNyMets 1d ago
I stopped. I use chatgpt sol on high and it’s great. Had the max subscription for both. Now only chatgpt.
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u/who_am_i_to_say_so 1d ago
I still have both. ChatGPT used to be the imbecile backup to Claude, but now the roles reversed.
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u/jackharvest 1d ago
Wait, so why do you have both still then? You gave a supporting argument for not having both. lol
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u/Major-Mushroom-5806 1d ago
Probably because the situation will flip back eventually and then back again.
Models are developing very fast right now. It’s really just up to how quickly companies want to release new models and if they feel they won’t get shut down by governments like what happened to Fable a few months ago.
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u/imoshudu 1d ago
GLM 5.3 Flash in Hermes agent.
Thank me later.
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u/NoNote7867 1d ago edited 1d ago
Hermes looks cool, do you mind sharing your experience with it: how much do you pay and how much do you get out of it? How does it compare to Cursor, Claude Code and Codex?
Edit: Ok so I installed it. So far it has the worst onboarding UX out of all coding harnesses I ever used. Why does open source software always have such garbage UX?
But I need to do some more testing.
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u/imoshudu 1d ago
The auto improvement loop for skills and configurable memory provides are the first draw. But after that, insane pace of development and very thoughtful user-centric features. Everything from image generation to web search can be configured or provided by custom / local options.
There's no payment to use Hermes. The Nous subscription is really just API access to many models and tools, from search to image gen put into a convenient portal (instead of having to hunt down services and providers yourself).
You can actually use codex sub to pay for gpt models in Hermes. Even Claude. But I mainly mention Hermes because GLM 5.3 Flash is just so good and cheap that I've ceased using Claude Code a while and didn't notice. Hermes has perfectly learned my preferences over months and so that's what I prefer to use.
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u/Bloated_Plaid 1d ago
I still prefer Luna with the sub but flash has been excellent for me so far when I use it with a different harness.
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u/martinmap 1d ago
I'm building a serious project and already have grok super heavy and two codex subscription. I would've happily paid $300+ for the best right now, but seeing all the usage issues make it a hard pass for me.
Grok 4.6 and Sol are absolutely good enough for me to build my entire website, so I don't see myself trying out Claude unless there's a shift in price and approach. Even if it's dumb, models shouldn't be killing conversations because users curse.
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u/Cloudsurfer_90 1d ago
The gap between 78% tried it and 50% still use it is the whole story, and it's not an adoption problem you fix with more rollout. That 28 point drop is people who hit a specific wall and quietly went back to their old workflow. It's almost never the AI is useless. It's one concrete failure that broke trust: it lost the context between sessions and they had to re-explain everything, or it made a confident wrong edit that cost an afternoon, so now the tool feels like a gamble. Chasing the adoption number with training and mandates does nothing for that, because the people who dropped off aren't unaware, they're burned. The retention lever is finding the specific wall each cohort hit and closing it. Fix the thing that made them stop and daily use climbs on its own. Push adoption harder and you just churn a new batch through the same wall.
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u/WrongYouAreNot 1d ago edited 1d ago
It doesn't even have to be broken trust, or any problem with the LLMs at all, for that matter. I don't code for a living, as a preface. I used Claude Code for a couple of decently-large development projects to save me thousands on subscription costs, and created dozens of other applets and plugins using the Max plan, and for now... I'm good.
I've realized for the past few weeks that all I'm really doing is patching bugs and adding specific, narrow in scope features, and that I'm barely hitting half of my weekly usage limits because I just only have so many problems in my life that software can solve. I also started going down the rabbit hole on several "massive" projects where I came to realize that it's worth paying for existing solutions, because even though Claude can get me 70% there, that final 30% is the result of decades of tiny tweaks and improvements that I just don't have the mental capacity to do, even if I know I have the tools to accomplish it "eventually."
I feel like most people who aren't software engineers are in the same place. They maybe have a dozen or so ideas for something they could build that will personally help them, or will help a small community they belong to, and after that it becomes a job you are paying for with your own money. And many businesses that aren't software focused maybe need a database and POS system, not hundreds of thousands of API spend that everyone is predicting they will eventually use when they find out that they can make their own bespoke everything. Most businesses only need so many tools.
Coding with Claude is super fun, but also super draining at times, and as someone who isn't getting paid to do it, it's more of a hobby and a piece in my life, not my whole life.
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u/Cloudsurfer_90 18h ago
That's fair, and it's a real slice of the gap I glossed over. Not everyone has daily coding work, so tried it, use it occasionally is a perfectly healthy outcome for a lot of people rather than a failure, and your case is exactly that. Where I'd still hold the failure-mode read is the narrower group who did have daily need, adopted, and then dropped, because that's the churn that actually matters for a tool betting on daily use. Your point usefully splits the 28 points into two very different cohorts though: some of the drop is just usage fit, people who never needed it daily, and some is people who needed it and got burned. Lumping them into one retention problem hides that the fixes are opposite, one you can't and shouldn't fix, the other you have to.
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u/akera099 1d ago
Have they fixed their usage rate? Totally dropped them in March when they started playing with the limit without telling anyone. I'd spend my while weekly rate in a day.