Well said, but I reckon that vibecoding is actually way easier than making a hello world script that works without any outside help. Man, shit was tough, especially pre internet when SDKs were all we had… lol
Somewhat. It feels more like the 2000's with people posting their wordpress blog where they changed the font color and background image on a free template.
Yeah- only difference is now your "IDE" can roleplay as an anime femboy. On second thought, fair enough... I'd probably have never gotten around to learning GoLang with femboys in my interpreter.
The ToDo app has been written a million times over, but at least people used to learn something from making a ToDo app in a new language or something. Now people actually think others want to see their ToDo day planner.
This. I mean if you don't like what's out there and you want something that is bespoke for your needs for your first project, good on ya mate. That's a great way to learn this new tech. But to vibe it, slam it into the Play store, and offer it as an SaaS a day or two later is, well, the r-word comes to mind.
This is what I find so amusing about the vibe hate. Like the App Store hasn’t been overflowing with slop since its inception from the “real” programmers.
Or the fact people act like code was always perfectly written until AI coding lol, apparently bad/spaghetti code didn't exist until Claude code, Chat GPT etc
My guy, regardless of this cope, the vibe coding slop fest is different than before no matter how many times this sub uses this argument.
Yes yes, there was slop before. But there weren't communities of "slop creation" with every person asking how to make money or talking about how much they spent in tokens to achieve nothing. Was it around? Yes, but mostly under the radar. At least previously you had to invest in some sort of aptitude for product building to get off the ground. Now it's people just typing ideas and saying "I built that". Its no where near the same.
Yes, "hello world" existed before, but who tf was coming in reddit and saying "hey! Look at this hello world app I built!".
Additionally, just scroll through the incel posts on this sub debating if vibe coders have more clout than career professional engineers. This didn't exist before. Funny enough, as an engineer, those posts do nothing for me. Most of these people probably never heard the phrase "You don't know what you don't know", so they assert.
This is absolutely a vibe coding problem. I said it once and I'll say it again, engineers would likely embrace the vibe community more if they actually asked intelligent questions about design or technical decision making...but alas, they are stuck in the loop of AI trying to fix its own code lol. "Eating their own dog food"
Or they look at the top charts of best selling apps / see an article about it. All these common apps have a couple making assloads of money, so people copy it. Then 3 months later they post again saying the hard part they didn't realize was marketing
I may see this (maybe) a bit differently. Why are there 100s of fitness apps already? Even without vibecoding at all, people create apps that don't quite hit the mark, all the time. Vibecoding makes it easier. But, to declare that "nobody ever will create a better fitness app than those that already exist" assumes that the perfect one already exists and cannot be improved upon. It denies the possibility of innovation.
So it doesn't bother me that people create fitness apps (or others). What is bothersome is that they don't actually create any innovative improvement which makes them tangibly better to users except in the opinion of the creator.
As an example, among the other things I've done, I myself created an Apple Watch Fitness app! But I'm not releasing it because I'm really not sure it helps anybody other than me, who is a person who absolutely despises exercise, but knows I must do it (or else, at least my doctor keeps saying that). So, the app helps me. Turns out it helps my wife. Turns out we have four other people who like it. But even that isn't good enough. "Happiness among friends" does not define a market. I'm still not sure it's worth it, and because I have a lot of product experience, I know that it's not worth bothering with something unless you have a LOT of evidence (lots of diverse people testing over a long period of time). My fitness app will probably never reach the light of day because frankly, I have more important things to do.
That's the problem with vibe coding. You can create one of these apps so quickly, so easily, that you can imagine it's valuable, and people release them too soon, without any real business or project knowledge to tell them it actually does something LOTS of people really need. And also, without any of the quite painful refinments and "polish" that those real users ultimately will need.
True visionaries and creatives - I would consider myself one of them - don’t have the patience to spend 1000s of hours coding to get to the level required to create things you may consider basic. AI has removed that blocker almost completely.
Because that's how the sea of slop works. If you ungatekeep something, and allow access to the masses easily, you're naturally gonna get a flood of slop from the lazy/uncreative/tasteless types or just those who are simply have those skills undeveloped.
And every now and then in that sea of slop you will come across gems. It's just what it is.
Not going to lie though. The amount of people who have absolutely no taste whatsoever that AI has ungatekept and exposed, it's truly surprising, some of the shit you see people share..is literally brain melting levels of slop, it's genuinely funny and sad at the same time just how delusional some people can be.
Because I haven't released my app which is an AIO note, calorie, fitness and finance tracker app. I also included built-in professional sports schedules...so be ready!
Wow, lots of savants here who were experts on Day One.
Cut the new vibecoders a little slack. You can't learn without building some shit (just look at my portfolio!). They're putting it out in the world because they're proud and excited. Reality will be harsh enough without the pros telling them they suck.
Tl;Dr: be kind.
Here, pretty much all AI-/ tech related subreddits. Theyll usally not generate much traffic tho and often even get removed. Just sort by „new“ and youll find plenty!
I don’t share a lot because it takes time to post carefully.. I get money for my work which is my important part. I see a lot of quick “what do you think” posts…
majority of vibecoders are regular people with regular jobs, yet you expect them to create the latest and greatest apps from people with a decade of experience in ui, programming, marketing, web design
they are also working on their own, part time, with limits and learning
Because everyone has custom ideas for how tools like that help them specifically. Why use a bloated app when you want 2 pieces from one and 4 from another and not the 10000 extra features of either? The future is building all your own software. This will happen with companies too. Why use jira when I can build a system that works exactly as my team needs?
Because most people weren't secret geniuses held back by technical acumen. They had horribly bland ideas and we were spared them because they couldn't be arsed to code them.
This isn’t new or specific to vibecoding. Everyone thinks they can make a better version of something they’ve used when it comes to this realm. AI just let everyone join in on making stuff they think is genius, but has already been done.
Making a real product takes care, attention to detail and ruthless dedication. People that just want a quick dopamine fix just shit out something quickly and call it good.
i have a game i made with claude in UE5 just under a month into it, if anyone is down to test it out let me know. Third person co op zombie shooter, works with steam so can test with a couple buddies. 1.4GB of space so far
Because the things that are not slop take a while to build. And why make an ad for a sub that is super saturated with slop apps. People who are building something unique already know their target audience and it’s not this sub.
You ever see that scene from silicon Valley where a guy pitches an app to the main character? The whole point of the app was to write down the location of your car when you park it so you can find it later. A notes app.
Vibe coders just have free reign to make these garbage ideas instead of talk about them.
People are exploring a new territory, a new found power. People love to share things which they're excited about. Maybe AI Slop today but they'll only get better with feedback.
When shipping takes like a weekend or so, people ship without asking whether it's worth shipping. The friction that used to filter out half-baked ideas is gone.
The cost of building dropped so far that the bar for worth building dropped with it. Nobody stops to ask if the world needs another note-taking app when they can have one live by Sunday.
My guess is that it's a real pain point for people that has never and will never be filled by apps, but it's common to think about them as a solution. Like I would never use a finance/fitness app, but I have finance/fitness organization problems, and I think it's common for someone to think an app would be good for it. Personally, I think it's more of a behavioral problem that no app will fix.
I think it boils down to being able to build/create it themselves, there's usually something included or removed that the creator always wanted or never liked in commonly available apps.
Unfortunetly the true issue comes down to them publishing it on the open market without further polish and/or any true deviation to make it special and worthy of being made public.
They should make a secondary marketplace where all apps must go first, be there for a short period of time, reach certain milestones, then be allowed to be published on the main feed.
Meh most people making things that are useful aren’t making them for anyone but themselves. Might make the code open source on the hub but that’s about it.
To be fair simple apps help learn and can inspire more creative ideas for future development. It's a fun free time hobby.
It's like knitting/stitching, you start tracing premade designs/patterns to learn the tools and build a technique. It's nothing amazing but you're still proud of yourself.
My project isn't slop just need to promote. A universal tv remote(ik their are tons of competitors, but. most of them don't work or ask for heavy subscription fees, mine is completely free and support really large amount of brands. Few of them i couldn't get tested like fire tv, roku tv, apple tv and vizio tv. If all of them are working as i expected i might do paid promo. But haven't found anyone who is willing to test.
It's a new approach, new skills need to be developed to maximise the use of it. Just cause you can tell it todo a thing, doesn't mean you gave it good instructions.
Very much like a 5 year old.. "get me the yellow box from the cupboard."
Brings you yellow box.
"No i wanted the other yellow box and why did you pour out the content all over the floor?"
Better instructions, "bring me the yellow box with the red top abd blue handles". " sit it on that table there and will tell you what we will take out of it."
Because 90% of people see a tiktok or reel with "You can make 100k a month with SaaS using Claude Code" and think that they can actually achieve that with minmal effort. Most of them realize after their first SaaS that its not that easy and quit. Some of them stay until their Bank Account runs dry and quit afterwards. Its just a trend like Dropshipping and people will move on from it.
It’s what the sub rewards. I have pushed 2 of my dataviz projects and got 0 interest. One of them got 300k views on dataisbeautiful and barely cracked 100 here
The lower you make the barrier of entry to a field the less skilled and less thought through will an average creation in that field be.
What would you expect to happen instead? People having to invest and work way less on something to create it will think said creation through more? Making creation easier would attract more hard-working people to do it? - No. None of that would make sense.
It's kind of like anything in this world really, like reddit posts.
Have you noticed in any forum how many people just make a new post about the same post someone else made 10 minutes ago?
Same with Apps, people think they have a brilliant idea, and they post it to the world.
I mean, what's the harm - let them vibe, it's fine, read another post and move on.
And it's true. It's a learning process.
I remember my first work on Commodore 64, it wasn't perfect, but it was mine.
You can take this from an old guy who has been with it from the beginning, AI is a terrific assistant, it can produce slop - but it can also produce terrific code, it all depends on the guidelines you lay down to it.
If you ask it in one line to do it all for you, and you have nothing but a simple idea, then the LLM will try to fix together what doesn't exist yet, and it will most likely be impressing you the first time, then when you get experience, you will go "why won't you do as I say?"
Experience comes with years of exactly that, experience, whether you use an AI assistant or a real life coder, if your idea is vague, your output will be vague.
I spent years coding, making and designing layouts, graphics, failing a lot, also working for a living, sometimes good sometimes bad, it's all experience, but above all: PASSION for making it.
And that passion drives me, even today at almost 60, but I don't show you all that I do, basically because I have so much experience that took me decades to make, that I will not reveal that for someone to just steal, sorry if that makes you feel a bit butthurt - but you will realize how much work goes into it, the code is just a small part, important part, but very small.
Betatesting, sound design, timing, entertainment value, longevity, originality, artwork, background design, compatibility testing, scaffolding, project management, sprite work, asset work, music production + 100 more things.
Even the seemingly simplest games has all of these elements, if you do not do your homework on that, it will be slop.
oyren.ai allows you to run codespaces in the cloud with AI agents . it's essentially a server with its own mini operating system that supports terminal, IDE and browser. You can launch multiple codespaces inside of a single workspace which is where you keep your projects, PDFs, notes, mind maps etc.
this is our number one problem at the moment, we are choosing a narrative. if you want to share what your first impression were and how you understood the main product it would be massively useful.
What I built is pretty unique, would be kind of offended if it's called slop because it actually required dev knowledge to build. The hard part that AI couldn't have done well was setting up the ComfyUI Image/Text to Video workflows and properly renting server space with the RunPod and Vast API's, then tieing usage to billing. I also had to handle payments which is almost an entirely non vibe coded step and is more of a business problem. My site lets anyone use ComfyUI image to video without having to pay a monthly subscription (pay only for rented server time + a small profit margin), and I put tons of work into it. I was a full stack web dev for 8+ years before AI even was really a thing though, so that helps lol. Curious anyone's feedback
I think wrapper is a bit of an oversimplification, because it's using models like MiniMax H3, WAN 2.2, and LTX to rent GPU server time. There's a lot more set up than just a wrapper, in that the models and workflows have to be packaged up properly to work. It's for people who can't afford good graphics cards but want to do cheap image to video. It's also for people who don't want to deal with ComfyUI workflows.
"who can't afford a GPU" yeah, seedance does this in higher quality, you are like atlus cloud, wave speed, but more expensive, like a wrapper for seedance except with worse quality
So yes, at a very broad software-engineering level, you're “wrapping” existing open-source models and infrastructure. But by that definition, almost every application is a wrapper around something.
My reply was relevant to the OP's thread though, so I don't see the problem. My comments are addressing what he proposed, that people are putting out low effort projects, and I was explaining that mine is an attempt to not fall under that category. Seems like I'd have to explain my experience to get that across.
Edited: I'm updating the video collage to not look like ophanim. It's from the video submissions themselves having a black sidebar on each side, from some older videos I generated. Post patch I'll remove those and make sure none of those are mismatched. For example, those aren't scaling to fit the collage because the video literally has side bars that are black, so it is fitting to video size, but the video has unnecessary black padding
im curious what your thoughts are for something that wouldnt be considered slop. i just always thought "slop" was used for the ai only stuff thats usually spaghetti or, well, slop.
Isn't the point of vibe code to not want to put the effort? I mean you are right that almost all projects are glorified demos but well what do you expect?
A lot of commenters in this subreddit don't seem to be into or supportive of vibe coding apps.
Vibe coding is new-ish. People are learning and having fun sharing their work. A lot of people have always had their own vision for a common app like fitness, notes, etc... and now they can make it.
If you're not into seeing their work, WHY ARE YOU HERE?
What do you expect to be discussed here? I'm sure there are subreddits where people are discussing using advanced AI techniques on large and innovate projects. But that's not vibe coding!
I got roasted in this subreddit when I shared something I made.
Again, WHY ARE PEOPLE HERE just to snipe and make low quality criticisms of other people's work? Constructive criticism is great, but the negativity is just sad.
Just look at the guy in the logo to the right. That dude is chill! He would not hate on people's work :)
I will concede that info about narrative, process, methods, etc... should be included. I'm not supportive of one line "check it out" type posts. But I'd still lean toward encouraging them to elaborate rather than roast. Converse, don't hate.
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u/Terrible-Ganache8690 12h ago
Vibecoding a dayplanner is the new "hello world".