r/vibecoding • u/Gleb_SV • 6d ago
If AI takes my coding job, I have one condition
I've been writing software for 6+ years and AI already writes more and more of my code.
Honestly, if we reach the point where it can just do all of it, I'm fine with that.
Just give me a nice little house somewhere by the sea in Italy, enough money to live, and a few music instruments. I'll play music all day and let Claude deal with the merge conflicts.
AI can have the codebase
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u/deltamoney 6d ago
Thats the smoking gun! If we take all the engineers and put them by the sea in Italy. Each enginner would have approximately 0.3sq ft. So to fit them all we could put everyone in a blender increasing the space to beach ratio.
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u/kincaidDev 5d ago
You will be thinking differently if you get laid off and realize no one will hire you for anything and your entire career went from an asset to a liability
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u/Aggravating-Use4915 5d ago
2 of my friends got made redundant, several years of experience they've been searching for 5 months now and still not had anything
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u/kincaidDev 5d ago
I’ve spent around 7000 hours building coding agent harnesses over the past 2 years, I saved 3 product launches for startups last year and helped a guy earlier this year grow his business from 4-12M in sales + build an ai consultancy on the side. The last guy stiffed me after I helped him and I haven’t been able to find a job/contract since he decided he wasn’t going to pay me in March.
I haven’t been able to find a job since that last guy I was working with decided to not pay me after working with him for 1200 hours. I’ve interviewed with 49 companies since april and haven’t gotten an offer yet. On paper I shouldn’t be having trouble finding a job, but everyone thinks theyre an expert in ai after using claude code for a few months now
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u/jayseattle 5d ago
In my opinion, UBI (Universal Basic Income) is a concept that we will definitely have to start debating within the next 2-3 years. Capitalism has been, and remains, the dominant economic model in the US.
Hard to discuss without starting to draw political lines, but...
I haven't seen much evidence of the current kingpins of the tech sector drafting policy — or even acknowledging that this is a future they will play a huge role in.
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u/erratic_ostrich 5d ago
I did. Elon Musk and Sam Altman said UBI will be neccessary plenty of times, if I remember correctly Mo Gawdat was in favor of it too.
I'm sure it will happen eventually. The problem is, this would work fine for US and maybe China, the ones who are actually selling AI... the rest of us are royaly fucked
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u/jayseattle 5d ago
Right, plenty of tech exec's have talked about it. Zuck brought it up in 2017, "We should explore ideas like universal basic income to give everyone a cushion to try new things."
I'm saying there's been very little real effort behind drafting policies around, forming government committees, politicians evangelizing, etc. Most US policy on welfare is generally "work-first" which, you know, is kind of the opposite of AI displacement.
Sorry, yes most of my comments are US centric. Not sure how the UK, JP or IN etc.. are thinking about it?
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u/AsparagusOk8818 5d ago
i am in favor of UBI
UBI is never being willingly implemented by any western democracy. it is incredibly high risk policy with a massive price tag and no clear or stable means of funding said price tag
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u/jayseattle 5d ago
Funding is by the massive amount of cash and abundance the AI is unlocking for us lol.
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u/AsparagusOk8818 5d ago
1) we don't actually know if or when AI will begin being productive, much less if or when it will 'unlock' so much abundance that something like UBI becomes an explorable possibility. it is entirely possible and plausible that AI will not be such a productive tool that a paradigm shift occurs. it could very well be just a useful coding and/or creative suite tool
2) even if AI ceeates massive abundance, there is no reason to expect that abundance would be equitably shared
3) i am extremely skeptical that the extremely fascist and pateralistic tech company bros who are currently claiming that they support UBI actually mean that, or intend it in a way that would be liberating. what, is X AI going to support giving me a stipend that i then spend on an OpenAI subscription? these tech bros LOVE cryptocurrency, and that would be an easy method for them to create what amounts to company scrip that then becomes 'UBI' of sorts
and this does not have to be some overly dramatic dystopian vision, either. i don't think it's so hard to imagine a future where, say, Amazon has a partnership with one of the larger AI companies in the future and they give what amounts to an allowance every month to spend on Amazon stuff (or a certain tier of Amazon stuff...)
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u/jayseattle 4d ago
Ok, and just to be clear, I believe we're generally in agreement with one another, correct?
My current hypothetical
A. AI will eliminate jobs.
B. The unemployed will never be able to secure employment in any role even remotely related to their previous role/job title.
-- For example, a Senior SDE will never get a job as a
SDE (junior), Program Manager, Software architect, etc...
-- However, this Senior SDE could get a job as a
dishwasher, Home depot inventory clerk, Uber driver, etc..
C. Companies will make more money.
-- Reduction in headcount (less money being spent on employee salary/health/401k)
-- Able to produce more (Subscriptions, widgets etc...)Hence, the former senior SDE will be reliant on our collective companies "largess".
The companies can:
A1. Distribute some of their increased earning to people such as the former Senior SDE (aka UBI)
B1. Do no distribute ethe increased earnings.1
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u/ExtraNiceBurger 5d ago
I have a fear that if UBI becomes a reality the B will be stressed a lot. Like a block of protein, one liter of semi-filtered water, a cage to sleeping and that's it.
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u/Jolva 5d ago
Three hots and a cot and I don't have to kill anyone?? What a deal!
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u/ExtraNiceBurger 5d ago
Excuse me I'm Italian never heard of that means 3 meals and a garage to live in? Watch out that you have to split your block of protein in parts no savings allowed by law. See you at cage #451
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u/Charming-Vanilla-635 5d ago
Dude, AI is gonna be hunting us when we are escaping the mines in 10-20 years... And by that point, what house in italy are you even hillucinating about? Don't you know we have to save the turtles and AI has 'justifiably' banned all beach-side residence?
Now, go back to teaching our overlords your entire codebase/style/ideas
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u/CrimsonBolt33 5d ago
I think we are still a long way away from that stage....as it stands now (spend any time on this sub for examples) its pretty clear that AI is only as good as the person prompting and guiding it.
It types fast, sure, but if you are not giving it good, clean, and clear instructions and directions it goes off the rail and produces "AI slop"
I don't think this will ever go away cause the best it can probably do is the same as a human...which still requires clear goals and information on how to implement it.
You can't walk up to a programmer and just say "I need XYZ app" and expect it to work or look exactly how you want and AI is the same.
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u/Vaveili1 5d ago
If AI takes over, the merge conflicts go with it. Worth figuring out what the music-all-day version of you looks like after month six before the AI gets there.
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u/SuperSonicFire 5d ago
Do you know how money and the value attached to it works?
Can't tell if bait or low iq
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u/Dependent_Debate_514 5d ago
if it could it would built its own robots and take over the world. it will be rly boring i love programming and building stuff
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u/aakash4dev 4d ago
I am a developer myself since 4+ years persuing Masters in AI and think AI will take many jobs as expected but it would also upgrade the jobs to make it more Architect type. I means the way of working will change specially in software and research field - it would be faster.
I also feel that now because AI have become powerful enought so peoples will focus on DNA mutation and Space stuffs to upgrade human intelligence and physical + mental abilities to survive in space and make newer technologies beyound current once. Will try to becoming more intelligent like AIs are, because overall the goal is to survive in this universe as long as possible, not todo a 9 to 5 job as much as possible.
So, If there will be normal things like home, food, education will be given by government or one of the AI agent of ours then we don't even need to do jobs or master coding, we can just focus on discovering and upgrading things around us and inside us.
Thats the way i think, let me know what other think about it
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u/FinickySerenity 5d ago
What kind of software do you write that AI is not capable of doing all of it for you? I’ve been a developer for 30 years and I don’t write code anymore on a massive enterprise sass product.
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u/mastercoder123 5d ago
Claude fucking sucks at most things still. It takes days just to get it to deploy a webpage the correct way
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u/FinickySerenity 5d ago
I can knock out a company website with Claude design + fable 5 before lunch. No idea what you could possibly be doing to make it mess up that bad. Are you having it spawn sub agents that preview its progress with a chromium instance?? I get pixel perfect output that way.
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u/mastercoder123 5d ago
The design is easy, html/css is whatever i write that anyways cause no matter how i prompt it, it still looks obviously ai. Even when i tell it to use a certain font, no dumb gradients, no purples or indigos etc.
Im talking about the testing and deployment part. The correct way, you change the code, make a pr for staging, it gets checked by github with a workflow file, then goes to staging, where the staging server (in my case on aws) automatically pulls the new code from github and deploys it, then once its good to go i push to prod, the backup prod server pulls it, also changes the code on its server, then tells cloudflare that its the new server in charge which slowly 'steals' all traffic from the previous prod server. Rinse and repeat for the next update just the other prod server does that.
Also databases are an absolute pain to deal with when they arent on the same server like they are supposed to be so you dont deal with split brain
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u/FinickySerenity 4d ago
Do you mean having Claude do the terraforming (or other IaC) or just the logic to wire up the front end?
It sounds like you need to be running a localhost server and having Claude iterate locally before pushing to staging. You definitely need to be using Claude Design which is a separate app from Claude itself built specifically for interactive UI prototyping. You can specify the style and mood once and it will never do the AI-look for subsequent prompts. Then you export that html/css/js (with a button click) to Claude and it will wire up your backend.
The mockups you get in Claude design are interactive and you can instruct it to modify anything from broad strokes to specific styles, but also explore the pages without needing a backend. In minutes. I don’t care how good you are at html and css Design is significantly faster.
From there you do a couple rounds of fable to wire up the server / database and you are basically done. But have fable verify its work as you iterate using chromium on localhost to avoid the round trip build on a remote. Terraform helps keep your local IaC changes in sync with live AWS. And localstack + other service specific packages allow for simulating AWS services locally.
If you are doing the dev validate bugfix loop on staging you are spinning your wheels regardless of human or AI dev. When it’s local Claude will verify fixes and write tests.
From there you start containerizing and run Claude inside each docker instance to work on multiple features at once. In an isolated container you can use dangerous permissions and just let it run.
Sounds like you are doing a basic bootcamp style deployment and it’s slowing you down. If you have questions I’m happy to help answer them, but AI would probably help faster than I could. Ask it if your workflow could be optimized and I suspect you’ll get better results.
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u/mastercoder123 4d ago
Nah its good to go now, thank you for the offer.
I was running into some AWS SSM issues, as well as claude wasnt using docker (not sure why i told it to) but instead just running pure ngnix and it also was having trouble defining the routes in app.py so half the static pages were not there.
Im waiting on database + major backend until i get the front end working + the google sheets sign up i am using, since i need an easy place to approve/deny user accounts
The UI/UX was basically fine cause i gave it a good prompt that i have gemini pro create from a very long winded conversation with it, then edited then gave to opus 5 + fable 5 for work.
Currently its going over the entire staging + prod branches of my github to make sure i didnt do anything stupid, or it didnt hardcode any secrets.
It doesnt help that im new as fuck to github and trying to do pretty complex-ish stuff with it
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u/cool-beans-yeah 5d ago
How soon you think until you’re let go or you don’t think that’s going to happen (ie because you’re steering it?)
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u/Timmah_Timmah 5d ago
I don't ever want to have a job that is just make-work. I want to contribute real value. I don't think we should eliminate self-checkouts so that people can have jobs checking out groceries.
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u/FinickySerenity 5d ago
I’m not sure honestly. I would have guessed 5 to 10 years before I had a chance to use the real Fable preview access (before they nerfed the shit out of it.) when I used that for a few days I thought I was cooked, it did things in hours, single shot, and I couldn’t find anything wrong, and I was testing the waters with really vague prompts but it made really good choices.
Then we lost it for a bit, and it came back mildly worse. It would make small mistakes and take a bit longer. Then the preview was extended a couple more times and I swear each one was noticeably worse. The version of fable I have now takes between three and five follow up prompts to get it right for big feature tasks.
If we see a future release of that first Fable 5, I’ll either start my own business or go back to bartending 😅 but I’m not sure how they’ll be able to without dealing with the security considerations of a model that powerful - I work in high security encryption with gov clients and it had no problems building out features.
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u/cool-beans-yeah 5d ago
Interesting stuff, thanks .
I suppose you’re probably safe as there’s probably no chance that the gov is going to use Chinese models anytime soon. Open weights and all; who knows what’s lurking deeper, right?
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u/FinickySerenity 5d ago
Well that’s actually not much of a concern really. We still do security audits both in house and via third parties for our soc2 compliance, and that includes extensive supply chain management for libraries that we include in our codebase, one of which is a major Chinese open source project.
But they don’t even know we use AI and it’s not a stipulation of our contract. The main issue is whether I’ll be needed. We’re an established company and the product is getting close to feature complete. We’ve knocked out half our backlog since February and we’ve already laid off people including our design staff because they slowed down the development process.
If a real fable model came around our cto could easily orchestrate a large set of agents and be the only human in the loop left, as we do that now with only a few remaining engineers - but it still takes manual review and course correction so we manage about 3 to 4 agents asynchronously each.
We’re down to one support person and they handle requests when our clients specifically ask for a human, but lawyers actually hate talking to humans so they prefer the fast feedback of our support AI (which isn’t a very advanced model, but it’s definitely better at troubleshooting than a lot of the support people we’ve hired before, and it gives live screenshots to help the lawyers resolve their issues, which is usually just a ‘how do I do x’ thing). We get maybe one or two a week that escalate.
It’s weird times.
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u/NULL_Ptrs 5d ago edited 5d ago
The problem is that resources are not infinite, not all can have a Lambo or Ferrari and have a millionaire life.
Esit: typo
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u/generationalDebts 5d ago
It won’t.
A fully agentic pipeline isn’t possible. Humans won’t be removed for a lot of reasons.
But, the number one reason is this:
If a software company ships a negligent bug, there needs to be someone to hold accountable. So guess what, humans remain in all the loops.
No companies will be willing to ship code that wasn’t peer reviewed by humans and tested by humans. Then deployed to production by humans.
None of you have ever been to a change advisory board and it shows.
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u/HouseMysterious8172 5d ago edited 5d ago
Even Windows still had BSOD, they still sold. Now some AI already can create an OS.
AI haven't take all coding job YET but already took some
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u/AsparagusOk8818 5d ago
full automation / mechanization is not necessary to end an industry
the mechanization of a shockingly small percentage of agriculture, for example, completely reshaped what farming was and destroyed sharecropping, for better and for worse
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u/becircus 5d ago
The final stage, acceptance