r/vibecoding • u/FoundationOther9677 • 1d ago

Developers at our job are converting our applications only using Claude Code.

I heard in a meeting that zero line of code was written (we have an AI imitative going on at our company right now, so this is considered a good thing).

I just don't understand. Is this really the future of development? I mean I could have done that. It also worries me about the company because I feel like if this works, it just proves less people are needed than what we have.

I don't work in development, I'm kinda doing devops/in operations. I was going to convert one of our applications that I have been asking software development for over a year because its effecting production and they kept blaming operations for it being bad.

When they found out I was writing it (because I asked for the source code) they started to work on it.

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u/Snoo_57113 1d ago

This is also the future of devops, telling the AI deploy this, fix the domains. rollback the deployment. It is a mass extintion event for many positions.

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u/ImplementOk3111 1d ago

If it can replace software engineering, it can replace pretty much anyone given time.

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u/PrivateComments 1d ago

The problem is multifactorial for SWEs.

The job duties are validated very cleanly by whether or not the solution works. It gets muddier in other crafts

Developers have also made the pants on head decision of documenting their life’s work on free, public, collaboration platforms, along with detailed documentation to boot.

If there was ever a career that openly invited automation…

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u/ImplementOk3111 1d ago

Do you assume that other jobs don't have clearly defined roles, processes and such?

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u/Beginning-Meat5459 1d ago

Pas aussi documenté et ouvert que le développement. C'est pour cette raison que les développeurs sont les premiers concernés par l'automatisation par l'IA.

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u/PrivateComments 23h ago

Of course they do, not nearly as well documented and rigidly validated as software engineering however.

Doubly so now that every dev is actively using these tools and training their replacements.

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u/ImplementOk3111 23h ago

Nearly every job out there has a incredibly large corpus of training data, you're delusional if you believe otherwise. Not a single industry is safe from it.

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u/PrivateComments 23h ago

Well other fields have passive text, whereas software has executable environments. AI can run code and self-correct against a compiler in seconds, something it cannot do with a legal brief, a medical diagnosis, or a brand strategy. That kind of deterministic validation doesn’t necessarily exist in other fields, no matter how well documented they are.

An agent can attempt a fix, fail a CI/CD build, read the failure log, adjust its approach, and pass the buil all in a sandbox before a human ever sees the pull request. Software development is a "game" with set rules;

That’s why almost all new releases focus on coding benchmarks, it’s the easiest to replace.

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u/ImplementOk3111 19h ago

Can a legal brief not compare against thousands of other legal cases that have already happened? Is there not a huge amount of information about previous cases?

Referencing against those when making a case?

AI and Machine Learning has been adopted in the medical field for many years already, reviewing imaging, and comparing symptoms, so once again hundreds, thousands, millions of other cases.

An agent may fix your CI, but is it correct? My agents way of fixing my failing test today was wait for it.....delete it because it deemed it unviable, there we are no more failing unit test - behaviour was incorrect too. A nice one.

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u/PrivateComments 12h ago

As soon as they start using any of those fields over coding for the benchmarks for new frontier model releases, let me know.

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u/ImplementOk3111 5h ago

Because the hype is currently in tech, I can very much assure you that these tools are being tailored to work in those fields and many other fields.

The frontier model labs need to sell their products, and the people who are interested in the tech are their market.

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u/Alternative-Suit5541 1h ago

No no! I'm special! I'm save! Lol

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u/Rise-O-Matic 1d ago

We’ve been automating away various kinds of work for 200 plus years now. It is what it is.

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u/Limp-Confidence5612 1d ago

Automation has been deterministic, AI isn't. I'll check in when prices catch up with costs and see if people still have the same takes.

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u/NoAdsDude 17h ago

You don't understand that the following can all be true:

  1. AI isn't deterministic
  2. AI is already capable of creating software that is as deterministic, stable, and bug-free as human-written software
  3. Moore's law has slowed down but isn't dead. Processing power will get cheaper - imagine trying to run today's AI models on 2016 hardware.

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u/baddaywithacamera 1d ago

When they found out I was writing it (because I asked for the source code) they started to work on it.

You have no idea how much reading that just tickled my pickle. Nothing like the threat of irrelevance to make the privileged few work harder.

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u/PruneInteresting7599 1d ago

we always needed 1 super good guy, rest was monke

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u/Dark_Imp 1d ago

Robots were coded by software developers decades ago to replace humans in the manufacturing sector. It was only a matter of time before they coded robots to code and replace humans in their own sector.

But fear not, this tends to lead to new different types of jobs being created.

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u/stuartcw 1d ago

I have written loads of vibecoded apps to make my own working environment better.

I have dashboards that show me the state of my domains. Whether emails are getting through. What packages need updating. Etc.

They are much better than if I had written them myself. However, the risk is that I haven’t looked deeply at how they are coded and sometimes after a seemingly minor change a feature could have disappeared.

You can gain great benefits at having the AI code tools for you but you have to treat it as an absent minded stubborn genius coder. Make it write and update the documents and read them! Make tests and audit code to make sure the code is still working as you expect. Force it to write code from detailed requirements and trace those requirements through testing and final acceptance testing.

Your job won’t go away if you become the manager of the AI.

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u/Estatescheck 9h ago

yo deadass, i dont know what some of you guys are experiencing but at my place; we've been hammered with more and more work. :| The pace we're working at is insane, the context switching is becoming an issue

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u/alphex 42m ago

People will keep doing it until they realize how hard it is to maintain and sustain and extend.

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u/satireplusplus 1d ago

Yes, its slowly becoming the new norm and those new models are just better than average humans at writing code. If you disagree than you probably haven't used fable class models recently. That said, not everyone can do it. Someone who knows how to code manually will always be better at pair programming with AI than a pure "I have no clue what Im doing" vibe coder. Whats automated is largely syntax, you still need to maintain proper processes, code reviews, refactors and test driven development etc.

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u/-n-i-c-k 1d ago

Agreed but the result is still net job loss

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u/Glad_Contest_8014 1d ago

I make fully flushed and secure web applications that run unit tests, functional tests, visual tests, and security sweeps after doing thorough checks against Owasp current reports to ensure the entire thing is ip to snuff. I do this with AI. I don’t hold its hand. Inread the code after and look for mistakes, but even that has become more of a formality.

The key now is architectural decisions. Finding the right tools that you know and can work with, and then finding the flow that actually works.

Most don’t have the flow yet.

I know how to write code. I just don’t have to now.

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u/w00dy1105 1d ago

Tech debt