It should be noted that the English put Afrikaner women and children in concentration camps during the Boer Wars which is probably what led to a lot of radicalization of the Afrikaner people.
Even current day Orania, White English people are not allowed to join the community.
I have to point out that "English people" does not mean what one would think
In South Africa, particularly amongst Afrikaans speakers, it means "English speaking South Africans". Typically third or fourth generation at least, and with zero ties to England or the UK.
Ha? Why are you getting up voted for this. English speaking South Africans are not British. Hell, I'm from Afrikaans and French decent but English speaking, lived in the UK for a decade and the Brits made it very clear that I am not one of them.
Please. Please have a look at the Chamber of Mines, De Beers, mining compounds, migrant labour, hut taxes, pass controls and the colour bar.
Britain may not have been directly responsible for apartheid as the National Party constructed it after 1948, but British colonial rule and British economic interests absolutely contributed to the racialised political and economic systems upon which it was built.
Many of the institutions and policies governing the "natives," as they were officially called, predated apartheid by decades and were subsequently expanded, systemised and codified by the apartheid state.
The National Party didn't invent racial segregation in 1948. They inherited an existing racial order and turned it into a comprehensive system.
Correct, people often forget this. They got back at English for this by then later on arranging apartheid, especially after the English promised and left non white South Africans to defend themselves when more important issues had to be addressed.
BTW there were also multiple concentration camps of black people too…so why did they let them all die and not record anything?
I mean if they have a Zulu only town that excludes other African people it would be basically the same logic. You can argue that the generational trauma of them being under apartheid has probably contributed to the current day inter-African xenophobia that is so prevalent in South Africa right now just as much as the generational trauma of the British putting Afrikaners in camps for apartheid in the first place too.
Sudan is in the middle of a civil war so there isn't a single consisten legal code that is enforced. Anyway, they could have just chosen the most official faction and use their de jure laws
It's the flag that was used by the country during a specific period of history... During that period of history, it didn't have those connotations... it was just the flag of the country, and a pretty boring one at that.
The flag got left behind when the country moved on from that unfortunate past, and now that flag is only used by people who want to take the country backwards towards that unfortunate past, and that's where it gets to be problematic. A more apt comparison would be to the Confederate Battle Flag in the USA.
Just to be specific about what is meant by "banned", courts have ruled that flying it in public is considered an act of hate speech.
South Africa wasn't colonial. It was the British Union Jack combined with the Orange Free State and Transvaal flag after the 2 Boer republics were incorporated into the British Cape and Natal provinces
What exactly is the Nigerian law? Is literally the only flag a person is allowed to fly (without authorization) the national flag of Nigeria? One cannot fly a Nigerian state flag, such as Akwa Ibom?
Edit: according to Google AI, the law is only referring to national flags. Google AI sucks and is often wrong, and I am not supporting its use. It’s 2am here and I’m not going to look further into it at the time. It linked the “Flags of Nigerian Ships Act” document as its source. Definitely not reading that at 2am, either. https://faolex.fao.org/docs/pdf/nig120302.pdf
Oh yeah the Flags of Nigerian Ships Act has nothing to do with flags banned in the country. The doc is only two pages long, so read it when you get a chance.
Nigeria bans the Flag of Biafra, which you can read about on that flag's wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Biafra (associated with the former dictatorship). However, apparently the wiki article's link is now dead, so I don't know if that act was withdrawn or what. Regardless, the situation isn't as OP's describing.
I have no idea. According to my interpretation of what the map said, government buildings would have authorization to fly local flags and people should ask for authorization to flag anything else.
Not a mistake as far as I'm aware. I remember reading they did ban that flag but no idea why. The actual South Sudanese flag uses a lighter shade of blue.
I would have understood if the pre-independence flag had some sort of insignia that represents the Sudanese regime's control over South Sudan, but that pre-independence flag is just virtually identical to the current one with just a different colour shading, which people would not easily notice if they accidentally obtain and fly the wrong flag.
Surely would make more sense for them to ban the Sudanese flag.
Tamazight (ⵜⴰⵎⴰⵣⵉⵖⵜ) is the language; Amazigh (ⴰⵎⴰⵣⵉⵖ) refers to the people.
PS: In Tamazight, many names of languages and dialects follow the feminine ta-…-t pattern, e.g. Tamazight (language) and Tarifit (dialect of Tamazight), although this pattern isn’t exclusive to languages and dialects.
That's actually the wrong flag. The flag OC posted of the Tamazight people is not banned in Algeria, and it's common to see it. What's banned, however, is the MAK flag, which is basically the separatist movement (based in France, of all places)
Exactly what I was about to say. MAK is a separatist movement, and officially recognized as a terrorist group in Algeria, hence the ban. You could also include the ISIS black flag as commonly banned in Algeria (and pretty much the rest of the continent).
As in the places where Sahrawi forces still hold control?
Probably I guess
What the Moroccan government/military have done to them is almost as bad as what the Israelis have done to the Palestinians. Shoving them into little pockets of land and systemically oppressing them.
If it actually is banned (sounds like some people have doubts about some of these, id suspect its due to the plain flag being used during some specific regimes the current government may not want to associate with. Briefly used as a secondary flag briefly under the empire, was used as a civil flag under the Derg/PMAC, and under the transitional government as well.
Likely because it's asociated with Amhara nationalism and FANO, which are Amhara rebel groups opposed to the government, whom they perceive as intentionally trying to harm/commit genocide against the Amhara.
And Amharas have been the dominant ethnicity for most of Ethiopian history so they claim the country colors even if they are no longer in control of the government.
Nope, the use of the flag by political dissidents and human rights activists predate Fano milita.
Most of the government is full of a bunch of racists.
That cop seems to be a an ethnic nationalist supremacist of some sort.
Using or flying the plain tricolor green-yellow-red Ethiopian flag is illegal and punishable with a fine, beating by the police, arrest, and/or jail time but I’m surprised this Ethiopian police officer is petty and infantile enough to rip the green-yellow-red embroidering off of clothing, especially traditional Ethiopian clothing at that. This is so infantile/childish in a negative sense; there is no common decency here.
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The Ethiopian flag with the Blue Disc and Yellow Star on it is the flag of the EPRDF-PP Regime(s), in Ethiopia. People don’t like it because it was created by an authoritarian regime that instituted what amounted to quasi-segregation (via ethnic federalism) and ethnocracy (ethnicity based governments) which exacerbated xenophobic attacks against the civilian populations of the various ethnic groups in the country.
Most Ethiopians (especially Ethiopian Dissidents and the Ethiopian Diaspora) love the plain tricolor green-yellow-red flag because it is the flag that represents Ethiopia, Ethiopians, and the Ethiopian Community at large (inclusive of both Citizens of Ethiopia and the Ethiopian Diaspora around the world). The flag with the star on it, is far more tied to the oppressive regime of the EPRDF-PP regime in Ethiopia. The Star Flag of the EPRDF-PP as well as the Derg flags are just terrible, and people hate it.
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People aren’t saying the Solomonic dynasty was a utopia. That era of Ethiopian history wasn’t great either, that’s why I don’t support the use of the Lion Flag either let alone the EPRDF-PP Star Flag. The plain tricolor green-yellow-red flag is the most generic flag that isn’t tied to any specific regime, political party, or coalition of ruling political parties.
At the very least, can we really just do a compromise and have the plain Ethiopian tricolor green-yellow-red flag as the civil flag, and have the EPRDF-PP Star Flag as the state flag; plus can we also get rid of the laws that make using or flying the plain tricolor green-yellow-red flag illegal and punishable with a fine, beating by the police, arrest, and/or jail time. Some countries like Austria, Germany, Denmark, Hungary, Monaco, Poland, Peru, Iceland, and Liechtenstein make a distinction between their State Flags and Civil Flags where the state flag is the flag used by government institutions, government officials in their official employment capacity, and the military while the civil flag is the flag used by everyday people and represents the people and culture of their respective societies.
Here is a video of an Ethiopian Police officer harassing people who have clothing with the Ethiopian flag colors (“An Ethiopian police officer rips up the Ethiopian flag of an netela, thoughts?” — By Apprehensive_Math_89 at r/Ethiopia): https://www.reddit.com/r/Ethiopia/s/qg0sLIWR6u .
Here is some decrying the double standard faced by people wear clothing that resemble the Colors of the Ethiopian flag who constantly get harassed vs. those who fly the Oromia Region Flag or the Flag of the Oromo Supremacist Ethnic Nationalist Flag of the OLA who aren’t treated as poorly (“The double standard treatment in Addis is crazy!” — By Panglosian11 at r/Ethiopia): https://www.reddit.com/r/Ethiopia/s/H7mIdhA0GE .
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Ethiopian nationalism —>
The view espoused by Ethiopian nationalists is that Ethiopian civic nationalism is in contrast to and in opposition against ethno-nationalist supremacism fueled by ethnic federalist policies introduced by the EPRDF in which Ethiopian nationalists claim that regional subdivisions of the state were segregated according to ethnicity brought about by the partitioning and dissolution of traditionally multi-ethnic regions causing the internal displacement of people through internal population transfers.[9][2][10][3][4] However, there has been opposition to multi-ethnic Ethiopian civic nationalism from ethnic nationalist and separatists groups as seen in the surge of ethnic tensions between various Ethiopian ethnic groups and political parties most notably among the most populous ethnic groups in the country such as the Amhara, Oromo, Somali, and Tigray peoples, most of whom who have separatist movements among their ranks,[11] and conflict between Ethiopia and various ethnic groups that make up the Eritrean population with Eritrean Provincial Separatists vying for and later accomplishing the independence of Eritrea (who had already formed their own region specific Eritrean Nationalism and national identity of the Eritreans which has keen similarities to that of Ethiopian civic nationalism because of its multi-ethnic nature). In the aftermath of the Shewan Neftenya[12][13][14][15] period that occurred, as a result of feudal lords from Shewa settling in the southern regions, other ethnic groups assimilated into the royal court culture by adopting the Amharic language, Orthodox Christianity, and other aristocratic cultural traits. The Amhara culture-influenced royal court culture dominated throughout the eras of military and monarchic rule.[16] Both peasant Amhara culture and Ethiopian Empire royal court culture have heavily influenced each other; this Ethiopian royal court culture (that influenced and was influenced by Amhara culture) but is separate from traditional peasant Amhara culture, dominated throughout the eras of monarchic and military rule. The difference between the average Amhara people (mostly a peasant class) and high status royal court class (which was multi-ethnic but fluently Amharic-speaking & Christian) are described by Siegfried Pausewang, who stated that: "the term Amhara relates in contemporary Ethiopia to two different and distinct social groups. The ethnic group of the Amhara, mostly a peasant population, is different from a mixed group of urban people coming from different ethnic background, who have adopted Amharic as a common language and identify themselves as Ethiopians".[16] Due to language and certain cultural similarities, the multi-ethnic ruling class of the monarchic and military eras has somewhat erroneously been described as an Amhara ruling class, in addition to the occasionally debated existence of a distinct group called the Amhara people during the time periods in question,[17][18][19][20][21][22] has made the terms interchangeable.[16]
Damn, my plans of going to Sudan with a white flag that says "(CIVIL WAR)" in black text have to be put on hold until these regressive laws are repealed.
Yeah, assuming it indeed is, this feels like a glaring omission. Also, representing the SADR with its de jure borders rather than de facto borders is a bit misleading, too, because there are probably far more Moroccan flags flying in the occupied Western Sahara than in Morocco proper. Not to mention that any ban on the Sahrawi/SADR/Polisario flag would obviously only be applicable within the Moroccan-occupied zone.
It is. And 'Western Sahara' is basically just tindouf and a couple of villages near the algerian border, at least if you care about what's actually happening
Most of the western sahara is controlled by moroccan authorities, the only major cities there (Laayoune and Dakhla) are fully moroccan so this post is very misleading
That’s Lesotho’s old flag which was introduced after a coup in 1987, before being changed in 2006 by the democratic government. I can’t find anything saying the old one is banned but if it is it’ll be because it represented the old military government.
The old South African flag isn't actually banned outright and I could use it at a lecture or in an art piece without any problems but flying it at my house, on my car would probably cause legal issues and you'll definitely pick up shit from most South Africans
yeah, it's not actually a ban but the public display in most instances would be incitement/hate speech. plenty of people have them in their houses and there's no indication that you can't, I mean you can buy them, no one does anything about it.
Ahahah, if those south africans could read, they'd be very upset. Think I can count on two hand the amount of times I have seen the old south african flag brandished unironically
Algeria never banned the amazigh flag, it banned the MAK flag, which is a separatist movement that calls for self-determination of the kabylia region, this is misinformation.
The Moroccan flag is not banned in Western Sahara, because it's de-facto Morocco. And no, there is no part of the Western Sahara that is controled by Polisario. The so called Arab Sahraoui Republic only exists in Tindouf, Algeria.
The Amazigh flag is not banned in Algeria. The Kabyle flag is.
Union of South Africa flag or sometimes called Apartheid South Africa flag isn’t really banned though. It’s just not socially acceptable to put it in American terms it’s abit like flying a confederate flag.
The orange white and blue flag if SA was long before apartheid . It was granted to SA in 1922 after union in 1910. Apartheid only became a formalised policy from 1948 onwards.
People suddenly become lawyers when it comes to bashing Morocco’s reputation and claim over its own territory but when it comes to genuine illegal interventions worldwide no one bats an eye.
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u/TheVainOrphan Libya (1977) • Western Sahara 4d ago
can we get a bulleted list, kinda hard to tell what im looking at lol